Re: [time-nuts] Beating 20MHz was Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-26 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bob, You say you are not ready to go GPS. I assume you mean a GPSDO. If you have a 'scope you can use just about any GPS with a 1pps output. trigger the scope from the 1pps while monitoring the 20MHz sine wave and adjust for minimum drift of the trace. A timing GPS module will be better (you

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Minnis
Thanks for all your thoughts on the subject. Let me play back what I have learned and how it may apply to my challenge. One of my first applications is to use a 10MHz output to phaselock a VCXO master clock in a radio transceiver. The VCXO is the Christek CVHD-950 which has a noise floor of

[time-nuts] Case for Rb Standard?

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Stewart
I've had the Rb on the shelf for a few days next to a few old 3.5" disk drives, and it suddenly struck me that they're about the same size.  External drive cases and PSUs are "cheap as chips", as they say, so I was wondering how many people are using an external drive case to hold their Rb stand

Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, If you've got a stable SSB receiver and an AM receiver capable of 20MHz, here's a trick to get an accurate beat:  Tune both to WWV, and listen to the WWV generated tone.  Adjust the frequency on your SSB receiver to exactly beat the tone on the AM receiver.  That way, you're matching a

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Angus
Hi, Square wave outputs can be rather higher maintainance, with the whole distribution system from the PCB design and layout through all the wiring to the terminations and beyond all has to be up to the fast IC's/transitions. 10MHz sine waves are much more forgiving.  Square waves are useful fo

Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Albert
This is off topic but I'm unsure how to do it properly. I am trying to 'discipline' a couple of sources.  I zero beat with 20 MHz WWV but can't tell the difference between fading and the beat, so I am stuck in the vicinity of 1 Hz possible error.  That's 50 ppb I think. What can I do to take th

Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I should have mentioned that I added a new 5MHz output, and the coax ran within 1/8" of the single DAC wire going to the OCXO.  I don't think anything else changed, but of course there could be some flake of something on the DAC line that I missed.  I put on the RG-174 and I see that it

Re: [time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suspect that you have a ground offset between the OCXO's ground return and the DAC's ground reference. The signal *should* be DC, Shielding it won't hurt, but it really should not help much. If anything is an issue a simple R/C filter at the OCXO pin should nuke it better than coax will.

[time-nuts] Shielding a DAC line

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Stewart
I made some minor hardware changes to my GPSDO today and I see that it's locked to a new DAC voltage about 21mV higher.  So, I was wondering about shielding the short run to the OCXO.  I have immediately available RG-174 and I'm putting that in.  But, should this be some sort of steel shelled se

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, the SN74LVC1G125 is 35 cents each at Mouser if you buy at least 10 pieces. That's going to be $3.50. LM78L05 is 26.5 cents if you buy 10 pcs. You will need some bypass caps and resistors, I'd assume you already have them. Say you want 10 channels, that's 11 logic id's. At one IC per out

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Bob, Totally agree. 24mA of drive at 3.3V is pretty nice in a small footprint for the parts we are discussing. Of course as you have pointed out you can drive them at 5V too. Mini-circuits is a good place to look too - especially for us hobbyists: http://www.minicircuits.com/products/DesignerK

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How clean is your clock source? If you have something that is -150 dbc at 1 Hz, then you probably need some fancy analog gizmos. If you can make do with "only" -110 to -120 dbc/Hz at 1 Hz, then properly driven LVC CMOS will do just fine. That's true for a square or a sine output. Since you p

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Tom, If you are building your own board - I have used this part: SN74LVC1G125 - Single Bus Buffer Gate with 3-State Output and it is suitable for the job. I have measured the performance of the logic family - and what I observed follows what is in the spec sheets from TI. I did not officially

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Bownes
TV video distribution amps work very nicely. Even better if you open them up and change the matching from 75ohm to 50. :) Bob On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV < glennmaill...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Would an analog video distribution amplifier work? > These are available ch

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
Would an analog video distribution amplifier work? These are available cheap. TV stations used these eight or so in a frame. The frame had a power supply and the BNC i/o connectors. Each da would drive 6 or 8 outputs. 73 Glenn WB4UIV Retired TV CE. At 01:28 PM 9/26/2013, you wrote: I am looking

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Knox
It seems you would need to think of the Pulsar as the clock behind the GPS sat. You then have an algorithm to add the other need information at the rec end. To make things easier add to the constellation one master clock signal with corrections and other needed info from earth. Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
For low phase noise output at lower frequencies you should consider a lambda divider feeding a low pass filter. Although wideband opamps are convenient a discrete buffer amp can produce a higher level output with lower additive phase noisee. Bruce Tom Minnis wrote: I am looking into various de

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Minnis
I am looking into various degrees of craziness. The source is CMOS and there are plenty of 1 in to N out parts designed to drive clocks on a PCB but not much is said about driving clocks on to a random length of coax to another piece of equipment and what additional precautions that might warr

[time-nuts] Spirals of Light

2013-09-26 Thread Don Lewis
Interesting-Don http://www.rdmag.com/news/2013/09/spirals-light-may-lead-better-electronics? et_cid=3503053&et_rid=537232301&type=headline ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Standard high speed CMOS logic works pretty well. How crazy are you trying to get? Bob On Sep 26, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Tom Minnis wrote: > I am working on a small clock distributor and wanted to get some ideas on > what works best for 10MHz and 1PPS driver circuits. I remember sifting > th

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM, REEVES Paul wrote: > Some of them might be... you could certainly speculate that any > culture that has attained sufficient technology to make interstellar travel > possible (and need navigation beacons) would probably have sufficient power > to 'engineer' th

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Knox
If there is Alien life on this planet they are most assuredly Time-Nuts. Thomas Knox > From: paul.ree...@uk.thalesgroup.com > To: m...@maxsmusicplace.com; time-nuts@febo.com > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:59:17 +0100 > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos > > Some of them mi

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread REEVES Paul
Some of them might be... you could certainly speculate that any culture that has attained sufficient technology to make interstellar travel possible (and need navigation beacons) would probably have sufficient power to 'engineer' the occasional neutron star into the correct configuration. O

Re: [time-nuts] VNG in a BOX'

2013-09-26 Thread Nick Medina
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Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread Max Robinson
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