[time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna

2013-10-17 Thread Rex
On 10/16/2013 8:26 PM, quartz55 wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone steer me where to get a foot or so of the small 50 ohm line so I can make a few antennas? I've been searching mouser to

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Scott Mace
I posted a patch for the Fury to work with ntpd in Oct 2008. It uses the GPGGA output. The PTIME:TCODE? command is not on-time with the 1-PPS output on the Fury, so the HPGPS driver does not work. http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2008-October/033901.html the ntp-fury.diff:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread Mark Kahrs
Except that if you blow the 54701A front-end, the IC is made of unobtanium. Likewise, buying an untested probe... As for the 4193A, if you know of an instrument without probe for $1, please let me know ASAP!!! The connector of the 4193A is the same awful connector as the 8411A so if you wanted

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Paul
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Scott Mace sm...@intt.net wrote: The PTIME:TCODE? command is not on-time with the 1-PPS output on the Fury Is it consistently before or after the pulse? I.e. can it be fixed with time1? Is there the same problem with the NMEA sentences? In any case these

Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna

2013-10-17 Thread quartz55
For some reason my outlook express gets really confused with these mail lists (or maybe it's me). That said, when I see my replies, they look perfectly fine in my outlook express, plus when I look in in the archived browser the message seems to be in correct order too. Maybe someone can fill

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Tim Shoppa
Back in 2003 or so, in the Z3801A with hpgps ntpd refclock driver, I had to add a negative offset of -0.98 seconds to the driver's decoding of PTIME:TCODE? to get it to be right in combination with PPS refclock. The documentation in the Z3801A manual correctly described the actual behavior

[time-nuts] Article on linear regulator noise reduction methods

2013-10-17 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FYI. Addresses LM317 noise in a simple implementation, how to reduce it, and how it relates to other approaches and parts. Numerous graphs of noise voltage versus frequency can prove enlightening. http://www.edn.com/Home/PrintView?contentItemId=4422750

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread Said Jackson
Mark, Thats the big difference between the 54701A and most other fet probes, its virtually indestructible. They even designed it so it can drop directly on its tip without internal damage. Big difference to most other fet probes, HP even has a nice write up on their design efforts and how

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Scott Mace
The GPGGA sentence is on-time enough so that ntpd will work. You still have to set 'mindist' to something like 0.050. The driver will also query other interesting things from the Fury. The response from PTIME:TCODE? varied too much for ntpd to use it even with a large mindist.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread paul swed
OK I have really tried to stay clear of the discussion. My HP 8405 is in fine shape including probes and dividers. Though clearly not of the class of gear in discussion. However homebrewing replacements is of interest. My experience is with the HP power meters. I have a number of working units.

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Bill Dailey
Interesting.. I see something completely different with my Fury. My hard-coded fudge factor is 0.077 yielding: Every 2.0s: ntpq -p Thu Oct 17 10:20:00 2013 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Scott Mace
I think the Fury does not guarantee that the PTIME:TCODE will be near the 1-PPS leading edge. When I tried it with the HPGPS driver and a net4501, ntpd wasn't happy with it. I also needed leap second processing to work, holdover notification, and to collect other data from it. The GPGGA

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Bill Dailey
It looks like in this Ubuntu I am using 28 SHM with gpsd which is different that the soekris. Sent from mobile On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Scott Mace sm...@intt.net wrote: I think the Fury does not guarantee that the PTIME:TCODE will be near the 1-PPS leading edge. When I tried it with

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Paul
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Scott Mace sm...@intt.net wrote: Try setting your Fury hpgps driver fudge flag4 to 1 He said he thought he was using 20+22 (NMEA+PPS). Of course the ntpq output suggests GPSD or other shared memory driver. -- Paul

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Bill Dailey
Correct. And I can access my soekris right now. Sent from mobile On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Scott Mace sm...@intt.net wrote: Try setting your Fury hpgps driver fudge flag4 to 1 He said he thought he was using 20+22

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Scott Mace
Yes, the GPGGA method works. Scott On 10/17/2013 01:35 PM, Paul wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Scott Mace sm...@intt.net wrote: Try setting your Fury hpgps driver fudge flag4 to 1 He said he thought he was using 20+22 (NMEA+PPS). Of course the ntpq output suggests GPSD

Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna

2013-10-17 Thread Eric Garner
L-com has some formable cable: http://www.l-com.com/coaxial-semi-rigid-formable-cables -Eric On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:26 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna. Can anyone

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-10-17 08:34, paul swed wrote: However homebrewing replacements is of interest. My experience is with the HP power meters. I have a number of working units. But darned if the meters no probes or cables show up for a few dollars at fleas. So last fall I built home brew bolometers. By god

Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna

2013-10-17 Thread quartz55
I was wondering while I was messing with this project if anyone has tried a Lindenblad for 1.575 GHz? I can see making the phasing lines would be problematical, but the pattern looks right. What I intend on making to start with is this one. http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/navsats/analog.html

Re: [time-nuts] Article on linear regulator noise reduction methods

2013-10-17 Thread Andy Bardagjy
Worth also reading the very good (cited) article from Wenzel http://www.wenzel.com/documents/finesse.html Andy Bardagjy bardagjy.com On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Robert LaJeunesse rlajeune...@sbcglobal.net wrote: FYI. Addresses LM317 noise in a simple implementation, how to reduce it,

Re: [time-nuts] NTP REFCLOCK for a Jackson Fury??

2013-10-17 Thread Chris Albertson
This isn't NMEA but many NMEA GPSes work just find and if you read the NMEA specifications the ascci data only has to be valid for the second in it is output. This allows for a random 0.... second offset. If your ref cock is bothered by a .999 second offset I'd argue the ref clock software

Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna

2013-10-17 Thread Michael Blazer
Would running RG-316 thru a hollow brass tube work? These are available at most hobby stores in a variety of sizes and they are solderable. Mike On 10/16/2013 10:26 PM, quartz55 wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater)

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread Steve Byan
On Oct 17, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Richard Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: If you are below 80 MHz, Linear Technologies makes a thermal power meter on a chip. Alas, the LT1088 is no longer made. http://www.linear.com/product/LT1088 Best regards, -Steve -- Steve Byan steveb...@me.com

Re: [time-nuts] Coax cable for volute antenna

2013-10-17 Thread Tim Shoppa
Lacking any actual hardline, I ran RG-174 in brass tube from the hardware store and had excellent results. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: I've been searching for the small copper hardline I can use for the feed on the gps volute (egg beater) antenna.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/17/13 4:46 PM, Steve Byan wrote: On Oct 17, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Richard Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: If you are below 80 MHz, Linear Technologies makes a thermal power meter on a chip. Alas, the LT1088 is no longer made. http://www.linear.com/product/LT1088 Rochester