Re: [time-nuts] Anyone want an engineering job making a GPSDO comparator for T-Bolts?

2013-11-08 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Chris wrote: I wonder what you gain by this? You still need the GPS to provide a reference. Either you use its 1Hz or 10MHz output. Then you compare the phase of these to the phase o the TCXO and adjust the TCXO until the phase is constant relative to the reference. Certainly if you start

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone want an engineering job making a GPSDO comparator for T-Bolts?

2013-11-08 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: We successfully "replaced" an internal low-quality TCXO with an external T-Bolt signal with much help from Time Nuts; but one guy called me up and suggested we discipline the INTERNAL oscillator instead of replacing it with an external signal. Whether or not this is a good idea depe

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-11-08 18:07, Peter Gottlieb wrote: Maybe he means fixed vs. automatic gain (or threshold)? Perhaps a worry about picking up higher frequency noise on a lower frequency but larger signal you are looking to measure? Peter The problem is the opposite. Low frequency noise will wipe out m

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Maybe he means fixed vs. automatic gain (or threshold)? Perhaps a worry about picking up higher frequency noise on a lower frequency but larger signal you are looking to measure? Peter On 11/8/2013 8:38 PM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 09/11/2013 01:30:14 GMT Standard Time, h

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-11-08 17:38, gandal...@aol.com wrote: What do static and dynamic mean in that context? Is it the same as DRAM vs SRAM? If so, I don't see any obvious way that translates into one works The MB510 looks to be a series of flip-flops so presumably would be classified as a static d

Re: [time-nuts] Use of Trimble Thunderbolt for GPS clock time source?

2013-11-08 Thread Hal Murray
bob.burch...@eeontheweb.com said: > Anyone know if the Serial DB-9 port on a T-Bolt can provide us with GPS > clock time for a dual purpose? We use the 10 MHz now to create a TCXO > replacement in a VHF radio (makes for good simulcast clock lock so they are > all on channel) but now we need to syn

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 09/11/2013 01:30:14 GMT Standard Time, hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: rich...@karlquist.com said: > This high sensitivity is probably a bad thing, not a good thing. It is > indicative of a dynamic divider. For a frequency counter prescaler, you > want a static divider,

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Hal Murray
rich...@karlquist.com said: > This high sensitivity is probably a bad thing, not a good thing. It is > indicative of a dynamic divider. For a frequency counter prescaler, you > want a static divider, such as the HP5386 used. Dynamic dividers make errors > if the signal being measured has a broadb

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Rick As far as I'm aware this is pretty much a copy of the HP original which used a Fujitsu, or similar, MB510-PF prescaler, so a sort of "what you see is what you get" situation:-) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 09/11/2013 00:03:58 GMT Standard Time, rich...@karlquist

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Wouldn't an attenuator solve that? On 11/8/2013 7:03 PM, Richard Karlquist wrote: On 2013-11-08 15:49, gandal...@aol.com wrote: At 1000 MHz, the highest frequency I can generate right now, I've measured the channel 3 input sensitivity as -50dBm with a sinusoidal signal. Regards Nigel GM8PZ

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-11-08 15:49, gandal...@aol.com wrote: At 1000 MHz, the highest frequency I can generate right now, I've measured the channel 3 input sensitivity as -50dBm with a sinusoidal signal. Regards Nigel GM8PZR This high sensitivity is probably a bad thing, not a good thing. It is indic

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone want an engineering job making a GPSDO comparator for T-Bolts?

2013-11-08 Thread Chris Albertson
I wonder what you gain by this? You still need the GPS to provide a reference. Either you use it's 1Hz or 10MHz output. Then you compare the phase of these to the phase o the TCXO and adjust the TCXO until the phase is constant relative to the reference. The instrument still needs the signal

[time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread GandalfG8
I suppose this might be a bit off topic, but for those of us with these HP counters there's been very good deal running on 3GHz extender boards on Ebay for the past few weeks. These aren't HP originals but they are new plug 'n play alternatives, certainly a very good clone, and excellent va

[time-nuts] Anyone want an engineering job making a GPSDO comparator for T-Bolts?

2013-11-08 Thread Bob Burchett
We successfully "replaced" an internal low-quality TCXO with an external T-Bolt signal with much help from Time Nuts; but one guy called me up and suggested we discipline the INTERNAL oscillator instead of replacing it with an external signal. I think his name was Bill (but can't remember for sure!

[time-nuts] EG&G RFS-10-7 output selection

2013-11-08 Thread cdelect
Hi, I used to have notes on how to select which output frequency the EG&G RFS-10-7 provides but I can't find them! It can be 5 or 10 Mhz. Does anybody know where the selection is made? Thanks, Corby Dawson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@feb

Re: [time-nuts] Bathys Atomic time wristwatch with Symmetricon SA.45s CASC

2013-11-08 Thread Tom Knox
I am holding out for the "Leapsecond" version to be available to the public with low Phase Noise 10MHz, 5MHz, And 1PPS outputs, and the built in adapter with low jitter 44.1KHz and 192KHz outputs for my home entertainment system. Thomas Knox > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:25:49 + > From: aife

[time-nuts] Bathys Atomic time wristwatch with Symmetricon SA.45s CASC

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Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread Gerald Chafee
Money has been sent - Paypal On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Mart Sakalov wrote: > Hello. > > Yes please. PAYPAL only. > > Best regards > Mart > > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] on behalf > of Gerald Chafee [gcha...@gmail

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89 and LTC6957

2013-11-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
Usually new OCXOs from distributors are expensive parts (low noise being a premium feature)... if you have to use them professionally OK otherwise you have no other way than the usual auction site. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:55 PM, HagaaarTheHorrible wrote: > Thanks for the replies! > Doesn't sound

Re: [time-nuts] Use of Trimble Thunderbolt for GPS clock time source?

2013-11-08 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes it is easy to set up. The Thunderbolt users the "Palisade" NTP reference clock driver. Then of course NTP will keep all your systems running on the same time. It sounds like maybe you were going to invent your own network based time sync system? Don't do that. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:13

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread Gerald Chafee
Money has been sent via Paypal On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:07 AM, wrote: > > Hi All, > We acquired a T-Bolt from an estate , its untested, seal is > unbroken, it might be good or might be Drek, but in either event its free > to someone for postage from 97113 to the lower 48. >It will fi

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89 and LTC6957

2013-11-08 Thread HagaaarTheHorrible
Thanks for the replies! Doesn't sound too good I'm afraid... in addition to the shipping issues, I wonder if it was the right decision to use this OCXO... Are there any "low phase noise" OCXO available (preferably from stock) from more "conventional" sellers? (i.e. distributors/online shops base

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread Mart Sakalov
Hello. Yes please. PAYPAL only. Best regards Mart From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] on behalf of Gerald Chafee [gcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 08 November 2013 4:16 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread Gerald Chafee
I would be interested, Gerald Chafee On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:07 AM, wrote: > > Hi All, > We acquired a T-Bolt from an estate , its untested, seal is > unbroken, it might be good or might be Drek, but in either event its free > to someone for postage from 97113 to the lower 48. >It

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread Gerald Chafee
Are you looking for a Paypal payment for postage? Gerald Chafee On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:07 AM, wrote: > > Hi All, > We acquired a T-Bolt from an estate , its untested, seal is > unbroken, it might be good or might be Drek, but in either event its free > to someone for postage from 9711

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread Gerald Chafee
If you need my info I would be glad to contact you direct. Maybe I could throw in a little extra. Gerald Chafee On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:07 AM, wrote: > > Hi All, > We acquired a T-Bolt from an estate , its untested, seal is > unbroken, it might be good or might be Drek, but in either e

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread tcur...@sbcglobal.net
Sorry, didn't see the Oregon address. I'll happily pay for shipping to California. Tom Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T - Reply message - From: ashle...@aol.com To: Subject: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering Date: Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:07 am Hi All, We acquired a T-B

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread tcur...@sbcglobal.net
I'm certainly interested. I'm in the general zip code area, so I can pick up. Call me at 714 402-1280. Thanks, Tom Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T - Reply message - From: ashle...@aol.com To: Subject: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering Date: Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:07 am H

[time-nuts] Use of Trimble Thunderbolt for GPS clock time source?

2013-11-08 Thread Bob Burchett EE
Anyone know if the Serial DB-9 port on a T-Bolt can provide us with GPS clock time for a dual purpose? We use the 10 MHz now to create a TCXO replacement in a VHF radio (makes for good simulcast clock lock so they are all on channel) but now we need to synchronize the rest of the system using store

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3817A Reverse Engineering

2013-11-08 Thread ashley40
Hi All, We acquired a T-Bolt from an estate , its untested, seal is unbroken, it might be good or might be Drek, but in either event its free to someone for postage from 97113 to the lower 48. It will fit into a USPS Small Rate Box for $6. We could ship it international, but at this p