Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Don Latham
Jim Lux The very one... Don > Was that the same Boys who invented the Boys camera used to take > lightning photographs? It's a sort of rotating drum streak camera. > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https:/

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
Longbow, for very long fibres :) Yes it was. He was the epitome of the experimental physicist who was also a master instrument maker. Boys also wrote an entertaining book on soap bubbles & surface tension where as a demonstration he makes a mechanical amplifier using sound to trigger a stream of d

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
It's in the section on lock in amplifiers I think. The switch has a clever 3 way action I think but I can't quire remember how it works. I do remember thinking how ingenious it was at the time, since I was designing lock in amplifiers for detecting optical absorbance over 10cm path lengths using ph

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/12/13 4:28 PM, Tom Harris wrote: The eccentric English physicist Boys made quartz fibres by attaching one end to a crossbow bolt, heating the middle and then firing the bolt, at what I have been unable to determine. He used this to measure the gravitational constant by suspending iron spher

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Brooke Clarke
:Hi Tom: I can't find anything in the Table of Contents or in the index. Can you tell me the page or title of the writeup? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Tom Harris wrote: There is a good writeup of the Dicke switch in Horowitz

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
There is a good writeup of the Dicke switch in Horowitz & Hill "The Art of Electronics", since Horiwitz is a radioastronomer of note. I've just bought my daughter a copy for Xmas, poor girl, she wants to be an engineer... Tom Harris On 11 December 2013 13:02, Don Latham wrote: > > Brooke Cla

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic for the 'analog' section of an FE-5680A?

2013-12-12 Thread paul swed
Jim I can add some info here. What you suggest is a reasonable conclusion. On some RB modules but I do not believe on the FE-5680s there is a true lamp voltage and its very helpful in determining if the lamps old enough that as you say its dark. On those units if you are below 4 volts approx you kn

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
The eccentric English physicist Boys made quartz fibres by attaching one end to a crossbow bolt, heating the middle and then firing the bolt, at what I have been unable to determine. He used this to measure the gravitational constant by suspending iron spheres from the resultant fibre, which of cou

Re: [time-nuts] recommendations for master reference

2013-12-12 Thread paul swed
OK will add my 10 cents. Half the fun is building your homebrew $1.98 ref with NTP. Simply toss it on a 2 or 3 ru rack panel. The servers these days are itty bitty. Now for serious class follow Jims guidance. Regards Paul On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 12/12/13 6:31 AM, B

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS antenna type GCNT20A3A

2013-12-12 Thread Gregory Muir
Yes, "engineering samples" should be approached with caution. Nothing like spending a lot of money to have a very expensive upside down dish to put jelly beans in. Besides, a couple of these antennas are listed on eBay for slightly more cost if you do a "Oncore 2000 antenna" search and one cho

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the FE-5680A

2013-12-12 Thread Rex
The FE5680A has about ten years of history on time-nuts. The FEI webpage bears little resemblance to most of the units that you will find. I have never seen one with a factory separate connector for oscillator output. Many needed both 15V and 5V to operate. Different versions have outputs for

[time-nuts] Schematic for the 'analog' section of an FE-5680A?

2013-12-12 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
Hi, I’m an elderly time-nut newby, and I’ve already struck trouble with a used FE-5680 Rb-vapour reference I bought via eBay. It runs (from +16V and +5V), and the current drain starts at 1.75A and then drops over 5 minutes or so down to about 650mA. But it won’t lock, even if I leave it powered

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS antenna type GCNT20A3A

2013-12-12 Thread David McGaw
This should be equivalent to the Synergy Timing 3000 antenna: http://www.synergy-gps.com/images/stories/pdf/anttiming3000_tn888.pdf. David N1HAC On 12/12/13 2:59 PM, Dave Brown wrote: They do ship internationally but to a limited number of countries. For some reason the UK is not on the list

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS antenna type GCNT20A3A

2013-12-12 Thread Dave Brown
They do ship internationally but to a limited number of countries. For some reason the UK is not on the list of those they will ship to. See their website under the 'shipping' tab. DaveB, NZ - Original Message - From: "Robert Atkinson" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency mea

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS antenna type GCNT20A3A

2013-12-12 Thread Ed Palmer
On 12/12/2013 1:29 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: I know Goldmine would not sell duff stuff knowingly, but the "Engineering Sample" label worries me a little. Often this is indicates a non-functioning item for display or trial fit purposes. Then again it maybe not. I wondered about that as well,

Re: [time-nuts] 8040c specification clarification, help for a time-nut beginner

2013-12-12 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Pee: Here's some vocabulary to help you. The 8040c is a frequency standard, not a GPSDO. That's to say it doesn't have a GPS receiver built in, but instead requires an external 1 PPS input. It's very similar to the Stanford Research PRS-10 in that respect. http://www.prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtm

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS antenna type GCNT20A3A

2013-12-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
I know Goldmine would not sell duff stuff knowingly, but the "Engineering Sample" label worries me a little. Often this is indicates a non-functioning item for display or trial fit purposes. Then again it maybe not. I can't find out as they don't ship outside the USA. Robert G8RPI. _

Re: [time-nuts] Question about the FE-5680A

2013-12-12 Thread EWKehren
Sidney there are to many versions to count. But if you do not have 10 MHz on the DB9 pin 7 you should check if the XTAL Osc. is 60 MHz. You can bring 60 MHz out or divide internally make sure you divide first by three followed by a divide by two to get a symmetrical output. Also check the R

Re: [time-nuts] recommendations for master reference

2013-12-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/12/13 6:31 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote: I am currently using both Trimble Thunderbolt and LPRO-101 Rb references. What I really would like to have is a rack-mountable unit that is a GPS-disciplined Rb reference and a built-in NTP server. (Yes, this is for my home. We are time-nuts, aren't we?) I

[time-nuts] recommendations for master reference

2013-12-12 Thread Brian Lloyd
I am currently using both Trimble Thunderbolt and LPRO-101 Rb references. What I really would like to have is a rack-mountable unit that is a GPS-disciplined Rb reference and a built-in NTP server. (Yes, this is for my home. We are time-nuts, aren't we?) I could roll-my-own system for disciplining

[time-nuts] Question about the FE-5680A

2013-12-12 Thread Sidney Cadot
Hi all, I recently bought a second-hand FE-5680A for some light experimentation via ebay. There seems to be a number of variants floating around. Mine in particular lacks a J2 (where I would expect to see the 10 MHz connector), so I only have the DB9 J1 connector. The unit is working, If I suppl

Re: [time-nuts] 8040c specification clarification, help for a time-nut beginner

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
Welcome to the list. Congratulations on your masters effort. Which school? There is no way the 8040c can make a claim about output accuracy without some assumption about the short- and long-term quality of the 1PPS reference input. They just mention "GPS" so your question is a good one. But it's

[time-nuts] 8040c specification clarification, help for a time-nut beginner

2013-12-12 Thread Pee Akka
I'm currently doing my master's thesis on GPSDO devices. Nothing fancy but more than enough for a fledgling time-nutter. It seems that which ever direction I go with my master's, this place always pops up :) I'm a bit uncertain about how to interpret one of the GPSDO's specifications. The device i