Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/19/2014 9:10 PM, John Marvin wrote: I guess my question is who has the right to grant "exclusive rights" for the ability to decode a very simple protocol? Was a patent actually granted for this? John They have exclusive rights to the IP core for their IC. I guess someone else could des

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-19 Thread John Marvin
I guess my question is who has the right to grant "exclusive rights" for the ability to decode a very simple protocol? Was a patent actually granted for this? John On 2/19/2014 4:49 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: It may be true that WWVB is sending out a new format, but the receivers for

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Andy
Rick wrote: "Thanks for the suggestions, but the MFJ121 does not display the date" The MFJ-121 might not include the date, but some of their other large WWVB clocks do. Go to http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Categories.php?sec=226(clock products) and click on the ones that say "ATOMIC". I am

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
CORRECTION: The 8005 series (with indoor temperature) does not support GMT Only the 8115 and 8119 series (with indoor and outdoor temperature) support GMT. On 2/19/2014 5:47 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: so hard. It looks like my only choice is this smallish "wall" clock (more like a d

Re: [time-nuts] Valentines Day & Love Numbers

2014-02-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/14 10:24 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: This means that the concrete piers where many Cesium clocks and GPS reference stations are located are bobbing up and down as if they were on a ocean, although only tens of inches. My GPS friends comment when you start getting to sub-meter preci

Re: [time-nuts] Valentines Day & Love Numbers

2014-02-19 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Brooke, See old posting: http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2011-January/053478.html The effect is too small (~5e-17 over 6 hours) to affect GPS time transfer. /tvb > On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > > Hi: > > In the video about the Full Moon Curse (that's about mea

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/19/2014 6:35 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist < rich...@karlquist.com> wrote: Can anyone recommend a "atomic" wall clock that displays in digital 24 hour UTC? Any reason why it was to by WWVB? What if it used some other means of say

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist < rich...@karlquist.com> wrote: > Can anyone recommend a "atomic" wall clock > that displays in digital 24 hour UTC? Any reason why it was to by WWVB? What if it used some other means of saying accurate? The larger professional quality

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Michael Perrett
I recently bought a La Crosse, See at ebay item 360752857574, that quickly synced up to WWVB and, at least to my ability to mark a time tick, been within the second of WWV. Total cost was $43. Michael / K7HIL On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist < rich...@karlquist.com> wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Robert Watzlavick
Definitely avoid BRG clocks. They are reasonably priced and look really nice on the outside but look like a high school science project inside. Plus, with both versions I purchased (while at 2 different companies), the IRIG-B option just didn't work reliably. It worked some of the time, just

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Thanks for the suggestions, but the MFJ121 does not display the date and the Lacrosse 8055 and 8016 do not display seconds. I need hour minutes seconds day and date. You wouldn't think that would be so hard. It looks like my only choice is this smallish "wall" clock (more like a desk clock): L

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-19 Thread paul swed
actually they are supposed to have general availability by the end of Q1. Will see and have no idea about the cost. Not keeping my fingers crossed at all. Regards Paul. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:18 PM, J. Forster wrote: > Wouldn't that be nice! > > They implement a new format which destroys muc

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Alex Pummer
Radio Shack used to have one, they may still have it, I have one, it works fine it has cca 2" tall numbers for the time, and 0.75" tall for the datum and temperature, Fries Electronics is selling one for USD35.-- also 73 KJ6UJH Alex On 2/19/2014 4:10 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote: LaCrosse 8055 is

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Richard Solomon
I bought the MFJ 121-B. Not LED, but I wasn't looking for that option. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/19/2014 4:52 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: Can anyone recommend a "atomic" wall clock that displays in digital 24 hour UTC? Looking for largest possible digits and LED preferred over LCD, under $

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Tim Shoppa
LaCrosse 8055 is one of the few wall clocks I know that allows UTC time zone to be selected. BTW, I have a Casio Waveceptor watch (the cheap $30 one) and it works excellently, always acquiring WWVB signal at midnight to 2 AM here on East Coast. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Richard (Rick) Kar

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Larry McDavid
Most of the "atomic" WWVB clocks cannot be set to zero time zone offset. After considerable looking, I found one that can be set to GMT with DST disabled. Look for this one: Lacrosse Technology Model WS-8016U It also has local and RF remote temperature. I got mine at Fry's Electronics, severa

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-19 Thread J. Forster
Wouldn't that be nice! They implement a new format which destroys much of the installed infrastructure, then don't actually produce the 'better replacement'. How very LORAN! -John == > It may be true that WWVB is sending out a new > format, but the receivers for it don't seem

[time-nuts] Looking for WWVB digital wall clock with digital 24 hour UTC display

2014-02-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Can anyone recommend a "atomic" wall clock that displays in digital 24 hour UTC? Looking for largest possible digits and LED preferred over LCD, under $100. Any brands to avoid? Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go t

[time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-19 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
It may be true that WWVB is sending out a new format, but the receivers for it don't seem to exist. The exclusive rights are held by this company, which is clearly on hold while it tries to find a customer who will pay for a wafer run: http://eversetclocks.com/ I've seen this sort of thing many

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 2014-02-19 22:34, Said Jackson wrote: Sorry early morning rant, There are counters out there already that can do 14/15 digits: tsc5125A and the Miles box for example. Very difficult to get a reference into that counter that can match and provide that type of stability. I am sure Agilent wo

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Said Jackson
Sorry early morning rant, There are counters out there already that can do 14/15 digits: tsc5125A and the Miles box for example. Very difficult to get a reference into that counter that can match and provide that type of stability. I am sure Agilent would love to hear our feedback probably as l

Re: [time-nuts] Valentines Day & Love Numbers

2014-02-19 Thread Hal Murray
bro...@pacific.net said: > I wonder if NIST has one of the GWR gravitymeters on a pier and uses that to > discipline their fountain clocks for the elevation change of the pier or if > that's done for the GPS reference antennas? Radio astronomers pay serious attention to earth tides. For VLBI, th

[time-nuts] Valentines Day & Love Numbers

2014-02-19 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: In the video about the Full Moon Curse (that's about measuring the distance to each of the 5 retro-reflectors on the moon to 1 mm) there's a plot showing the elevation change in the Apache Point Observatory of about 20 inches peak to peak. It's exactly the type of change the effects pendul

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bruce, What are the tradeoffs with using different values for R1?  I have no practical experience at this, so all I can do is rely on the models.  Does the fact that R2 is in the PIC, and C1 is so tiny, make the value of R1 of less importance?  On my PIC, they list C1 as 5pf, R2 as effective

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Tom Knox
I hope I have not come off sounding like that Said, I simply would like to see a great product better, I am hoping/committed to work with Agilent toward a better product if they are interested. And in the past I have found they are interested in our feedback. The 53132A was revolutionary in it

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread mike cook
That was a wink, Said, not a howl... Le 19 févr. 2014 à 17:25, Said Jackson a écrit : > Mike, > > They are already giving you another way to calibrate the unit, different from > how you think they should have done it and you are pulling out the statist > card and accusing them of being greed

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Said Jackson
Mike, They are already giving you another way to calibrate the unit, different from how you think they should have done it and you are pulling out the statist card and accusing them of being greedy capitalists? Come on, thats backseat driving. Be happy they invested millions of their own money

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread mike cook
Le 19 févr. 2014 à 01:05, Tom Knox a écrit : > Thanks Tom and Bob, I have been thinking of contacting Agilent for some time. > I think they are a great company with some good products, but there are a few > real blind spots in some current products. I also have seen in the past a > genuine int