Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Alexander Pummer
Him Daniel, the chip all 74HC4046, HC7046 and the HC9046 are well designed and working fine for the application for which they were designed for, but of course if you trying to used for something else you may run into problems. Roland best describes the funtion of the chip in details with many

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel Mendes
Hi... can you share you routine for designing with this chip? I tried using it sometime ago but the results didn´t agree much with what I designed, so i gave up (for now... but i´ll return to it :) Also in the datasheet it says: 13.3 Further information For an extensive description and appli

[time-nuts] Stanford Research FS-700 Schematics

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Smith
I am new to time-nuts and seeking schematics only for the Stanford Research FS-700 Loran-C frequency standard receiver. Ground wave frequency references are my current interest. WWVB with its new modulation method, and the new LORAN if it ever happens. Thanks . Michael Smith KB0EW

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Alexander Pummer
Hi Magnus if you do not need to use the VCO of the 74CHXX46, just the phase detector you could find better device at Analog Devices like the AD9901 and many others and you could use higher comparation frequency to, here is how to do it: http://www.microwavejournal.com/articles/21968-synthesiz

[time-nuts] Z3816 Oscillator Saga

2014-04-29 Thread Chris
I seem to have painted myself into a corner with a Z3816 and wonder if anyone can help. Originally bought from Ebay US over 5 years ago and used since to drive several items of test gear and an hf receiver. It's the ac line model and the only mod was to fit a small fan to keep the insides cool.

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread wb6bnq
Hi Samuel, I have yet to see where you answered what your reference frequency is for the PLL ? ? ? ? If you are locking a 24.576 MHz oscillator to a common house standard like, for example, 10 MHz then you are going to have a comparison frequency at 16 KHz. The reason is Phase Detector #2 h

Re: [time-nuts] Influence of Cycle Wraps on TInt-Measurements with53132A

2014-04-29 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Hans, See if your plots look like approximately like these: http://leapsecond.com/pages/53132/2324.gif http://leapsecond.com/pages/53132/4099.gif I did this as part of a week-long 51132A TIC resolution and linearity test. I believe this is evidence of interpolator non-linearity within the 531

[time-nuts] Influence of Cycle Wraps on TInt-Measurements with 53132A

2014-04-29 Thread Hans Holzach
i use an Agilent 53132A as a TIC and Uli's "Plotter" to analyze the time interval data of two oscillators. after removing the cycle wraps and the drift there often remains a repeating pattern that i have not been able to explain, e.g. TI increases, then drops a little bit and starts to increase

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-29 Thread Neil Schroeder
I'm not sure what value 20 pieces is - but the LEA-6T still frequently goes for $150, so wishful thinking is the LEA-8F won't be too far from that. A Tbolt (new) is much, much more. I'm not too familiar with the prices of other pre-integrated GPSDOs. On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Attila Ki

Re: [time-nuts] Linux TSC clocksource on multi-core systems

2014-04-29 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
The problem isn't so much NTP, it's that the kernel can't use the TSC as the clock source, so it falls back to something like the HPET or ACPI timer which are orders of magnitude less resolution than the TSC. Here is the Atom D510 that shows the synchronization problem. Booting with 'nosmp' al

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:02:06 -0400 (EDT) ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > Looks like they are doing exactly what I suggested as one of the > alternatives for saw tooth correction. They have a VCTCXO in the module, with > the > computing power in their chip a no brainer. the question is how much will

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread sg sg
Running my PLL design routine again for 48 kHz I realize that this is in fact very advantageous--it greatly reduces the required capacitor size in the loop filter. So dividers are clearly the way to go. Samuel ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@fe

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna length correction

2014-04-29 Thread Brian Lloyd
I want to thank everyone for their answers. I was sure I had the geometry right and that the additional latency would make the position "fuzzier" because I kept thinking that the clock was absolutely correct. Of course, the clock in the GPS receiver converges on a time that is offset from absolute

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-29 Thread EWKehren
Looks like they are doing exactly what I suggested as one of the alternatives for saw tooth correction. They have a VCTCXO in the module, with the computing power in their chip a no brainer. the question is how much will it cost and how important will it be for a GPSDO. Final cost at maximum

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Tim Shoppa
Wow, 150PPM typical/100PPM guranteed is pretty big pull range for VCXO. Wonder if they use a special cut to get that much. One trick I've seen is to parallel crystals to increase pull range. I have used PS2 from 74HCT9046 up to 1.0-2.5 MHz with no problems so you will have no difficulty at the wor

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It’s close in noise in the case of the HCT series parts. Bob On Apr 29, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Alex, > > Sure, but is that close-in phase-noise or wideband white noise? > It matters greatly how it is distributed in frequency. > > Most importantly, is it low enough to

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Tim Shoppa
Interesting, I had never read AES11 before, I see they are not just scaling to the facility but to drop hints of worldwide synchronization in there. I would like to compare/contrast the evolution of digital timecode distribution (AES11 spec for 1ppm), with where nationwide conventional TV distribut

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:43:44 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > The uBlox-6 has a free running osc. If it wasn't free running, it would be a > GPSDO. Their new LEA-M8F seems to be a GPSDO. The 30.72MHz output frequency suggests the intended use in cell phone base stations. Att

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread sg sg
Thanks again for the further discussion. This is not for studio use, I'm designing a one-off AES-to-I2S interface for evaluation of DA converter chips. The PLL provides a very low jitter master clock such that the conversion jitter is, for jitter frequencies down to some Hz, dominated by the VC

Re: [time-nuts] 74HCT9046A Max. Operating Frequency

2014-04-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Alex, Sure, but is that close-in phase-noise or wideband white noise? It matters greatly how it is distributed in frequency. Most importantly, is it low enough to recover the clock. If it is too high, then one needs to use another VCO. In this case, he only wanted to use the 74HCT9046 as a pha