Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread billriches
FYI Wildwood eLoran will be fired up 1300Z Saturday (today) and 1900Z Monday thru Thursday. Happy listening. Any reports would be appreciated and I will pass them along to the engineer that is driving the train. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape Mahy -Original Message- From: billriches

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread Alex Pummer
noise figure, noise voltage, noise current: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt094/slyt094.pdf On 7/18/2015 2:16 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 23:25:10 -0400 Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote: A pair of Zetex (Diodes, Inc.) ZTX849 or FZT849 actually have significantly

Re: [time-nuts] Rohde Schwarz frequency standard and controller

2015-07-18 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Good morning, I have 3 working XSRM Rubidium RS standards in use, at 60 KHz , the short term stability is better then the more modern ones but the internal battery system does not work (well) . External 24 V charger is better. Ulrich, N1UL In a message dated 7/18/2015 10:25:58

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-18 Thread Jim Lux
The whole USO is about $1M, the vast majority of which is labor.   Analysis, testing, paperwork, etc Jim Original message From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org Date: 07/18/2015 02:10 (GMT+00:00) To: tim...@timeok.it, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] 5 x 2 x 3 = 30 MHz

2015-07-18 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Good morning, the AT Cut is inherently noisier then the SC cut but the SC has some spurious resonances modes. Measurements below 1 Hz are very tricky as the oscillator must be (more or less) insulated from hum, infrared (heater) . Here I am still struggling . Ulrich N1UL In a

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700 Loran C frequency standard

2015-07-18 Thread Ole Stender Nielsen
I had a few LM394CN left and used one for the pre-amp. I would try to use another low-noise transistor. Furthermore, you do not necessarily need a matched pair. The transistor on the right in the schematic is merely used for biasing the amplifying transistor on the left. The prices for matched

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700

2015-07-18 Thread Alex Pummer
generally larger transistors running at much lower current than they inteded for have lover noise figure, but much larger input and [Cbe] and feedback Ccb] capacitance, the same effect could be achieved putting --for AC!-- low noise transistors paralell [ signal voltage adds arithmetically,

[time-nuts] Rohde Schwarz frequency standard and controller

2015-07-18 Thread roberts
Hello Group, I recently acquired a couple of R S XSD frequency standards and XKE frequency controllers ( circa mid 1960's ) as well as the manuals that go with them. I've had a quick look on the net and haven't found much in the way of documentation so I have scanned the manuals into PDF

[time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors (was: Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700)

2015-07-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 23:25:10 -0400 Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote: A pair of Zetex (Diodes, Inc.) ZTX849 or FZT849 actually have significantly lower voltage noise than either the LM394 or MAT12. I always wonder how you figure out whether a transistor is low noise or not. What

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700

2015-07-18 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 18 July 2015 at 04:25, Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote: Dave wrote: 1) Do you have any suggestions for a replacement for the LM394CN, which is obsolete and unobtainable from any reputable source? There are plenty on eBay for a few $'s from China, but the probability of them

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors (was: Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700)

2015-07-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You have (and always have had) two basic choices: 1) Buy a very expensive part from somebody who has gone to the trouble of characterizing the noise performance and will guarantee at least some of what they show on the data sheet. 2) Buy a bunch of cheap transistors and test them. Lock in

Re: [time-nuts] Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700

2015-07-18 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Dave wrote: Do you really mean the ZTX849? It is a power transistor (5A continuous current collector current, 20 A peak collector current), with no specification for noise on the data sheet. It would on the face of it hardly seem a wise choice for a low noise amplifier, but perhaps you know

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread billriches
Correction on times for Mon - thurs - start 900 edst - 1300Z -Original Message- From: billriches [mailto:bill.ric...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 7:05 AM To: 'billriches'; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread paul swed
OK LORAN is on the air up in Boston. I had just turned off various equipment this morning. So starting it back up after testing it yesterday. Lots of large static crashes. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:04 AM, billriches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: FYI Wildwood eLoran will be

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread Scott McGrath
What GRI is in use I'll fire up my austron as well Central NH location Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Jul 18, 2015, at 1:42 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Bill I will let you know what the Austrons say for signal level. Fact is they locked up fast. My FS700 is taking its time.

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread billriches
Hi Paul - how do you figure boston? The only station up is Wildwood, NJ -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:15 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Good afternoon, There is a problem in the literature that people confuse the spot noise figure and the large signal noise properties. Here AF and KF needs to be known and considered. Here is the mathematical correct formula in a Word for Windows Form attached file. If you use it for

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread Alex Pummer
but be sure that you have a hp4470B --a transistor noise analyzer [ http://www.testequipmenthq.com/datasheets/Agilent-4470B-Datasheet.pdf ] 73 Alex On 7/18/2015 8:47 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: I agree with Bob, find a vendor you can trust and make sure you buy from an authorized distributor

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread John Miles
The BFG540 is amongst the best Oscillators oscillators http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/BFG540_X_XR_N.pdf Now you outperform most colleagues 73 de Ulrich N1UL Last time buy 31-Dec-15. :( Have you heard of any good substitutes? I've built a lot of amps with BFG591s, and

[time-nuts] manual upload

2015-07-18 Thread Don Latham
Uploaded to KO4BB: Kode Odetics 3100 time interval analyzer op manual 100 ps min timebase, 10 ps error a boatanchor but IEEE488 output. access instructions in the manual. Will take intervals less than 1 us apart. about $250 on ebay. Originally for hard disk drive measurements. Set up to use x10

Re: [time-nuts] E4437B phase noise spurs. Any ideas?

2015-07-18 Thread Wolfgang DL1SKY
Hi Bill, Thank you for your detailed response. First of all, I'm happy with the SMIQ and I included that only to show that the spurs do not come out of the spectrum analyzer (which is an FSU indeed). Regarding the E4437B: You are right that the data sheet specs allow this but I find it rather

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors (was: Firmware and antenna for Stanford Research FS700)

2015-07-18 Thread Pete Lancashire
I agree with Bob, find a vendor you can trust and make sure you buy from an authorized distributor or if just need two or three parts try to get them as samples.directly from the manufacturer. The reason for this is you may get a fake or reject part and you will never know. Trying to do the

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread paul swed
Bill I will let you know what the Austrons say for signal level. Fact is they locked up fast. My FS700 is taking its time. Graham it will sound different as there are no competing stations on other GRIs. Thats the very first thing that hits you. Additionally its only 1 station. But that same

Re: [time-nuts] Loran C returning to a station near you...

2015-07-18 Thread Graham
As expected, loud and clear near Ottawa Canada, approximately 380 nautical miles. It does sound different from my recollection of Loran. However, this is only one station transmitting where as before it would have been several at the same time with different GRI's. cheers, Graham ve3gtc

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread John Miles
-Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of KA2WEU-- - via time-nuts Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 3:40 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Cc: akpod...@synergymwave.com; alexander.r...@rohde-schwarz.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
BFG540 In a message dated 7/18/2015 6:37:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@miles.io writes: Last time buy 31-Dec-15. :( Have you heard of any good substitutes? I've built a lot of amps with BFG591s, and they also got the axe recently. Small-signal RF bipolars seem to be an

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-18 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
Good afternoon, another low noise recommended transistor is the http://www.cel.com/pdf/datasheets/ne856m02.pdf and for frequencies below 10 Mhz the 2N2857. This nice fact is that the AF and KF values are published, the bad part is the the AF=1 value violates the law of physics.