Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects (was: Temperature controlled TCVCXO)

2016-05-15 Thread timenut
If I understand it correctly, you only violate a patent if you manufacture and SELL a product covered by the patent. If you build it for yourself, then there is no violation. Even if you are a company, and you build one for testing and evaluation, as long as you don't sell it there is no violation.

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Poul-Henning wrote: The Supreme Court recently limited that significantly, buy reiterating that you had to perform _all_ steps of a patent to infringe it: David wrote: Bear in mind that not all the steps have to be performed by one entity for infringement to exist. Poul-Henning wrote: Did y

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature controlled TCVCXO

2016-05-15 Thread Florian Teply
Am Fri, 13 May 2016 20:28:04 -0500 schrieb David : > It figures that HP would have done this if anybody had. I am not that > familiar with their design history so thanks for bringing this to my > attention. > > I did not find anything in the theory section of the original service > manual althou

[time-nuts] NPL open day

2016-05-15 Thread Adrian Godwin
In case anyone's in London this week, the NPL have an open day : http://www.npl.co.uk/openhouse/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions th

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , jimlux writes: >On 5/15/16 1:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> In message , David writes: >> >>> Commercial use also includes using the patent in production in some >>> way outside of selling an item which uses the patent. >> >> The Supreme Court recently limited

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread Mike S
On 5/14/2016 5:56 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > For one, patents are about > commercial use only. If you don't sell it, patents don't apply > (this is a bit simplified, but not incorrect). Not sure where you are, but it's definitely incorrect for the US, where mere use, let alone making, can be infr

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread jimlux
On 5/15/16 1:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , David writes: Commercial use also includes using the patent in production in some way outside of selling an item which uses the patent. The Supreme Court recently limited that significantly, buy reiterating that you had to per

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects (was: Temperature controlled TCVCXO)

2016-05-15 Thread Tim Shoppa
In addition to what others write about nobody will come after you for hobbyist/testing purposes... It is surprisingly easy for a patent non-professional to be confused, about what a patent actually covers (claims) vs does not cover (claim). There is a section called "description" that is useful a

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects (was: Temperature controlled TCVCXO)

2016-05-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi > On May 15, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > In message , David writes: > >> Commercial use also includes using the patent in production in some >> way outside of selling an item which uses the patent. …. and now patient troll armies are busy coming up with an “inn

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects (was: Temperature controlled TCVCXO)

2016-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , David writes: >Commercial use also includes using the patent in production in some >way outside of selling an item which uses the patent. The Supreme Court recently limited that significantly, buy reiterating that you had to perform _all_ steps of a patent to infringe it:

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects (was: Temperature controlled TCVCXO)

2016-05-15 Thread David
On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:56:06 +0200, you wrote: >On Fri, 13 May 2016 19:32:58 -0500 >David wrote: > >> Thanks for those. I went over them pretty carefully and what I am >> proposing is not covered by either although that would not protect me >> from a debilitating patent lawsuit. > >I wouldn't wo

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread Tom Miller
- Original Message - From: "Brooke Clarke" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects Hi Attila: In the late 1950s I bought an oscilloscope kit branded EICO (Electronic In

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature controlled TCVCXO -->> Random eBay oscillators.

2016-05-15 Thread Bob Camp
HI There are a couple of forks in this one: If it’s a commercial (or even a kit) product, doing it with surplus parts probably isn’t a great idea. The shock is going to be doing a low volume run at commercial prices. There really isn’t any way around that. If it’s for a basement project there