Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 04.03.2018 um 04:04 schrieb Richard (Rick) Karlquist: When I was working on fiber optic communication test, I remember hearing about lasers that were "tuned" with variable Peltier coolers.  Power consumption is critical in a cesium standard that can run on batteries.  Maybe the power consump

Re: [time-nuts] 50 ohm drivers

2018-03-03 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 04.03.2018 um 03:17 schrieb David C. Partridge: Brice said: . Some fast CMOS devices (esp clock drivers) have an output R close to 50 ohms as they are intended to drive 50 ohm source terminated transmission lines. Any in particular that you'd recommend? I need to drive a 50ohm line and

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

2018-03-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Interesting point about the heater not working vs. the XTAL having drifted > too far. Any logs you made of EFC percent over the past few months or years will help verify the off-the-rail theory. Another thing to try -- turn-off the Z3801A for a couple of hours to let it cool. Disconnect the

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

2018-03-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Monitoring the output frequency whilst the oven "heats" up may give additional clues as will monitoring the heater current. Bruce > > On 04 March 2018 at 16:12 Tom Holmes wrote: > > Bob... > > Interesting point about the heater not working vs the XTAL having drifted > too far. M

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

2018-03-03 Thread Tom Holmes
Bob... Interesting point about the heater not working vs the XTAL having drifted too far. Mine has the same symptoms as the others reported (EFC at the end of its rope) but have not tackled it yet, figuring I'd have to dismantle the whole thing. Certainly troubleshooting a non-operating heater

Re: [time-nuts] While we are talking about Z3801's

2018-03-03 Thread Hal Murray
> Mine has quit achieving lock. ... > After reading about someone else's trouble, i wonder if my OCXO has aged > out. Have you checked the status page? Is the GPS unit seeing satellites? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailin

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
When I was working on fiber optic communication test, I remember hearing about lasers that were "tuned" with variable Peltier coolers. Power consumption is critical in a cesium standard that can run on batteries. Maybe the power consumption of the coolers is a deal breaker. Rick On 3/3/2018 6:

Re: [time-nuts] 50 ohm drivers

2018-03-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
These devices are only suitable for driving source terminated 50 ohm transmission lines not a 50 ohm load to ground (or even 1/2Vcc) to produce CMOS levels at the load. If you are driving a low pass filter or similar intending to produce a sinewave output then its somewhat easier. Even paralle

[time-nuts] While we are talking about Z3801's

2018-03-03 Thread John Green
Mine has quit achieving lock. It goes back a ways. I had it in storage for a while. When I got it out of storage, It took about 2 weeks to lock. It would go into holdover sometimes for no reason I could ever discover. I lost the ability to communicate with it. Then, one of the Lucent DC/DC converte

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Hal Murray
Thanks. rich...@karlquist.com said: > 2. Magnetic state selection, as used in the 5071A, would be replaced by > optical pumping. Len Cutler was heartbroken that HP/Agilent management > wouldn't fund this effort. > It turns out that, even now in 2018, optical pumping is not ready for prime > t

[time-nuts] 50 ohm drivers

2018-03-03 Thread David C. Partridge
Brice said: >. Some fast CMOS devices (esp clock drivers) have an output R close to 50 ohms as they are intended to drive 50 ohm source terminated transmission lines. Any in particular that you'd recommend? I need to drive a 50ohm line and a single gate inverter doesn't have the grunt to do so

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The attached circuit is suitable for testing the PN of various CMOS inveters etc used as sine to CMOS converters. Just adjust the input LC network and resistors to suit the source, frequency, power and CMOS device Vcc. Select the resistor in series with the CMOS output to produce a total series

[time-nuts] X72 and 1pps

2018-03-03 Thread Mark Sims
Try enabling the PPS input form the "P menu. Also, to verify that it is using the PPS input try the &a auto-tune command. It will set the TIC and DDS tune word to to 0, collect data for for however long you requested (an hour is a good start), then calculate the drift rate and set the DDS tun

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

2018-03-03 Thread Ed Palmer
On 2018-03-03 3:56 PM, Tom Curlee wrote: What I don't understand is the purpose of what looks like another coil or heater wrapped around the Kapton printed circuit heater stuck to the inner case. This second coil/heater is 2 layers of 1/8" thick red foam wrapped completely around the inner c

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
We only use three circuits Wenzel sn65ELT35 and LTC6957. For critical applications it is the LTC we refer to it in our designs the Bruce circuit the only problem is solderability, my eyes. Bought 25, to poor to buy junk and not smart  enough to select something less in critical applications.   

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Z3801 date

2018-03-03 Thread Hal Murray
> Setting the date should update the EEPROM. Interesting. It's not working that way on mine. If I power cycle, it both T2 and Status page come up in Jul 1998. Is my EEPROM worn out? Older version of firmware? ?? HEWLETT-PACKARD,Z3801A,3542A01377,3543-A -- These are my opinions. I hat

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hystersis (exhibited by 74xx14 devices) results in AM to PM conversion which increases as the amount of hysteresis increases. Bruce > > On 04 March 2018 at 10:34 Bruce Griffiths > wrote: > > Ideally one should use a Collins style optimised cascade of increasing > bandwidth and gain

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you are simply dealing with 10 MHz sine waves (as many of us are). — and — It’s a “matched” application ( = you know the level / the source and converter are tied together) — and — You don’t mind an L network to match increase the Vpp when it goes to the gate — and — Once the perfor

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Ideally one should use a Collins style optimised cascade of increasing bandwidth and gain limiting stages. The LTC6957 with its selectable input stage bandwidth has a performance that is comparable with the Holzworth sine to CMOS "amplifier" which is better than any comparator by itself. If the

[time-nuts] X72 and 1pps

2018-03-03 Thread Matthias Jelen
Hello Time-Nuts, thanks to Mark´s breakout board I was able to fire up my X72 rubidium. It seems to work fine. FW is 5.19. As far as I understand from the (rather crappy) manual, I should be able to discipline it to 1pps, but I wasn´t lucky using the commands from the manual. I switched t

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rick, On 03/03/2018 03:30 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this > rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this. > He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear > if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement > CBT's).  I don't remember the produ

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

2018-03-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi First off some basics about OCXO’s. In a single oven design, you have a heater that warms up the entire crystal and the guts of the oscillator. It is on all the time and it gets things up to a temperature that makes sense for a given crystal. It can be adjusted based on manufacturing data o

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
In the 5071A, we squared up an 80 MHz clock with a 74AC04 gate capacitively coupled with resistive bias to set it at half the supply current; not a resistor from input to output as you often see. Ever since the LT1016 came out, it has been the "easy" way to square up a sine wave. Easy != high pe

[time-nuts] Z3801A OCXO manual trimming

2018-03-03 Thread Tom Curlee
Since the Z3801A is being discussed, I thought I'd ask about an issue I'm having with my unit.  I use my Z3801 as my working lab standard for the usual pieces of RF test equipment.  In the past year or so I've had the unit drop out of lock and go into standby mode.  Resetting/cycling power would

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There’s a big chunk of sales under the “not semiconductor” side of Microsemi. It may not be big compared to an $8 billion sell price, but it’s not a trivial part of the company. Exactly what happens to things like the 5071 … we’ll see ….. How the sales policies of one or the other company

[time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Mark Sims
Look at the LPRO manual. They have a couple of circuits that uses a single CMOS gate with a capacitively coupled input. Wenzel has some very similar circuits on their web site (search for "Wenzel squarer"). My HP-531xx counter calibrator board uses on as the input squarer (with a 74HCT86 as

[time-nuts] Output impedance of MC74VHC logic?

2018-03-03 Thread Mark Sims
I don't know about the VHC family, buy the LVC1G family can drive 24 mA. My interface boards for connecting the LPFRS/LPRO or the TS-RFS to my BNC/SMA connector board has a PICDIV for making a 1PPS signal and uses a 74LVC1G125 to buffer it. Also my PRS10 interface uses one to buffer the 1PPS ou

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Mark Goldberg
Search for ultra fast comparator yields TL3016 and AD8611, claims to be faster pin compatible replacements. I have found low parasitic capacitance on the outputs of these types of comparators is important, and I have used balanced hysteresis (use positive feedback from both + and - outputs). I hav

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
There is an announcement of the impending purchase on the Microchip website. >From my perspective this is a good thing as I've been eyeing some of the microsemi semiconductor products for some time for use in various designs of mine and this is likely to make those products easier to incorporate d

[time-nuts] Setting Z3801 date

2018-03-03 Thread Mark Sims
Setting the date should update the EEPROM. --- > I think the second power down in there resets the date. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and f

Re: [time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread David C. Partridge
You might consider using MC74VHC1GT14 or MC74VHC1G14 (Schmitt trigger inverting buffers) depending on the exact voltage levels. They are fast (74AC logic fast) single gate devices in SC70 (SOT-353) or SOT23-5 case and can drive 25mA output if needed. I've seen documents saying that using fast l

[time-nuts] LT1016 as a pulse shaper...

2018-03-03 Thread Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts
Gentlemen, I have so far been using LT1016 as a pulse shaper and also whenever I needed toconvert a sine wave into TTL Logic levels. Some hysteresis and all the decouplingand layout precautions as recommended by LT. Are there any similar or better alternatives out there that could be usedthat

Re: [time-nuts] Output impedance of MC74VHC logic?

2018-03-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
It's not just that you need to have small signal Thevenin source impedance << 50 ohms, you also need to be able to deliver sufficient current, at the rated logic voltage swing of the device. If the device is swinging rail to rail, and you drive a 50 ohm load through a 50 ohm resistor in series wi

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread ewkehren via time-nuts
The manager many not know but the market does and there have been announcements and the stock is up and for the day the fifth most active of all US markets. At 2 pm #2    Bert Kehren Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" Date: 3/3/18 9:

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I asked the CBT manager at Microsemi about this rumor and he disavowed any knowledge of this. He told me they were making 8 a week (not clear if this is just 5071A's, or includes replacement CBT's). I don't remember the production ever being anywhere near this level. The reason for the relativel

[time-nuts] Output impedance of MC74VHC logic?

2018-03-03 Thread David C. Partridge
Using this to buffer output from an LPRO (74VHC1G14 (Schmitt trigger 3.3V TTL compatible)), or an Efratom 105243-003 10MHz OCXO with CMS output (74VHC1GU04 CMOS levels) in a 10MHz mod for the KS-24019 RFTGm-II. To match well to 50R bandpass I want to add a series resistor to the output but don't k

Re: [time-nuts] Microsemi up for sale?

2018-03-03 Thread Anders Wallin
Just a change to the last part of the name then ;) https://www.ft.com/content/10192a2a-1d99-11e8-956a-43db76e69936 "semi" -> "chip" On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Clint Jay wrote: > Perhaps of interest to the list > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/25/microsemi/ > > -- > Clint. > > *No