Re: [time-nuts] from Sputnik to CD

2007-10-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
ane's reply. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:10 PM To: Tom Van Baak; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] from Sputnik to CD ); SAE

[time-nuts] Is this off topic?

2007-09-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
Excuse me, but I'm despondent. I wish I had not gone on the trip. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Goodsell Observatory at Carleton College, Northfield MN

2007-09-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
PM. I wouldn't miss it. If anybody else is interested and wants to carpool, I'm at 10300 Colorado Road in Bloomington, 55438. Leaving at 6 PM or so. Let me know. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscri

Re: [time-nuts] Bush Accepts Pentagon Position on GPS

2007-09-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
chell, "Good evening Mr. and Mrs. America, and all the ships at sea" with a Morse background. And then, there was H. V. Kaltenborn. Those were the days when nobody could buy a newscaster, let alone a major politician. Amazing what happens when you roll back time into history

Re: [time-nuts] Timing on Ethernet

2007-08-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
ync is not useful if you are interested in the correct time to less than a minute or two. FWIW, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the in

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
ut of time (what a concept). Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:50 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist "Didier Juges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
ength seemed suspect. But it's all good fun, right up there with building a basement time standard - actually a frequency standard and a counter. There was a time when a time standard was a burning candle, or dripping water. Accuracy is limited by the available technology. Bill Hawkins Come to t

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia -- AOL and the "Spam" Button

2007-06-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, I've been through the exercise with a spam cop that held my ISP hostage for money. Really bad deal. We seem to have two new headers: ); SAEximRunCond and Errors-To: . Is that abnormal? Bill Hawkins -Original Me

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Not pendulums or atomic clocks or gravity

2007-05-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
You don't get hit in the face because there is a phantom force that attracts the ball towards the hole, but only after it has been hit. Bill Hawkins Or maybe it's the spin . . . -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Palfreyman,

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
Aargh! Please change "Centripetal force also goes away if radial motion goes away." to "Centripetal force also goes away if angular motion goes away." -Original Message- From: Bill Hawkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:17 PM To: 'D

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
ol of altitude. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: James Maynard Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:26 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity Didier Juges wrote: > Bruce, > > A lot of th

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
ly unyielding, even in intelligent people. But this is probably not within the scope of "time-nuts." Best regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums & Atomic Clocks & Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
nal force. The fact that some people call the rotational acceleration 'fictitious' does not alter the results of the equation. Sorry, I don't accept the idea that the Earth and the Moon repel each other with only gravitational forces. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Mess

Re: [time-nuts] NTP problem on Windows

2007-05-16 Thread Bill Hawkins
the request time, the receipt time at the server, the sent time at the server and the receipt time at your PC. Dunno about Meinberg. Prefer the Brandenberg Concertos myself. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent

[time-nuts] Scanning darkly

2007-05-13 Thread Bill Hawkins
of Moiré herringbone, but can't get size or brightness right. Ten hours of messing with trying to guess where the programmer put things or wants me to do is enough. Can anyone provide enlightenment on scanning grayscale accurately? Bill Hawkins ___ ti

Re: [time-nuts] NTP Synchronised Nixie Tube Clock

2007-05-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
ht I'd have fun restoring it, but my time is running out. $50 plus shipping, with manual. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] NTP Synchronised Nixie Tube Clock

2007-05-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
I can tell you that the IBM 704 vacuum tube computer from the fifties used lots of glass diodes in its 8 tube plug-in units. I still have a few. They'd make great module frames for your own version of a vacuum tube clock. Sorry, no sockets. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9

2007-05-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
That's great information. For those that don't have boats, Furono is a major vendor of navigation equipment. NMEA is the National Marine Electronics Association. They developed a standard for ASCII interchange of information among navigation devices. Bill Hawkins -Origin

Re: [time-nuts] NTP Synchronised Nixie Tube Clock

2007-05-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, I've been using the virtual Nixie clock from JagAir at http://www.clockvault.com/nixie.htm No hardware to fail, choice of display tubes, but it only runs on Windows. The software is free. I'm a satisfied user, with no commercial interest. There is other good stuff at the s

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
The pictures show why the 3815 never became popular. Matching that monstrous connector would be a problem. The project is impractical without the matching card file. And what is that big, empty DB connector in the middle? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Disciplined Oscillators

2007-04-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
er will be wrong by the number of counts added or dropped while lock was lost. Hope that helps. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Feher Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:46 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and fr

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

2007-04-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
ature. Surely, there's no one in this group that has bought an expensive instrument just to keep up with the group. I am not now and never have been an audiophile. It just bothers me when someone writes off complex human behavior with a single epithet. Bill Hawkins ... who can't sle

Re: [time-nuts] Sensing pendulum position, speed, or height

2007-03-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
uspension. Hmm, perhaps an electrostatic suspension? Simple enough to shield the vacuum tank. With precision timing electronics, I don't need a one second swing period. Interesting? Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Hello (pictures)

2007-03-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Neville, I'd like to look at your pictures, but Yahoo wants to sell me stuff. Synchronome wants a real email address, and that they won't get. If you can't find someone to host them, could you mail them to me? My address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spammers already have it. It's the direct mail that

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Need HP-113AR info to replace missing part.

2007-03-23 Thread Bill Hawkins
Chuck, There is no spare time left in my days. I respond to offers better than hints. Have you checked the HP Archive? ... hint... hint Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:06 PM

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Need HP-113AR info to replace missing part.

2007-03-23 Thread Bill Hawkins
tly, the motor could have bearings that scream at 1 KC. I put mine in a box lined with fiberglass insulation to kill the noise. Bearings can be replaced. While you're in there, look for leaking wet tantalum capacitors. The residue is usually white. All that aside, it's a mechanical marvel

Re: [time-nuts] Hello

2007-03-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
and excitation mechanisms in my lifetime. Especially since I live 100 meters from a low-speed freight railroad track. Pity, really. Too soon old, too late smart. Hope I haven't depressed you. Best regards, Bill Hawkins P.S. Visited Melbourne and Sydney, crossing the bridge on foot, in the

Re: [time-nuts] DIY IRIG-B Display?

2007-03-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
something like the three clocks at WWV. Paid an average of $50 each for them. And now, back to your regular messages. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- Bruce Lane wrote, in part, "Does anyone know of any DIY displays that'll decode a standard IRIG-B signal? I'm thinking i

Re: [time-nuts] DataChron 3070 Question

2007-03-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
I've seen units that do the switch electronically. If there's energy at the external input, the internal source is switched off. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitchell Janoff Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:51 P

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
Follow the money. Every piece of DRMO equipment sold is a piece of equipment that wasn't bought commercially. With companies being merged and acquired, wealth concentrates to where buying congresscritters doesn't show on the bottom line. IMHO. Bill Hawkins -Original Message

Re: [time-nuts] Is there a DST Update for older MS Windows machines?

2007-03-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
Thanks, Rex It looks like the IntelliAdmin site patch fixes the whole TZ table, while MS tzedit fixes one zone at a time. That looks like a good site for many other admin problems. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- Rex said: In a discussion on another forum, someone posted this link

Re: [time-nuts] Is there a DST Update for older MS Windows machines?

2007-03-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
Perfect! Many thanks, Jason. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Rabel Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:08 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Is there a DST

[time-nuts] Is there a DST Update for older MS Windows machines?

2007-03-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
Timely friends, Microsoft does not have support for Windows 98 SE for the DST change. That is the OS for my machine that talks to the HP Z3801 receivers. Is there a remedy that does not involve installing XP Home? or Unix? Bill Hawkins ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] Austron Crystal Clock

2007-02-11 Thread Bill Hawkins
ical manual (TM) number for it, you can try public access to LOGSA Electronic TMs. The R-390 list on QTH has used this as a resource for a long time. Not all of it is public, though. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.f

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for INFO - Datum 9100-6065 Time Code Generator

2007-02-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
t WWV. That proved to be a bridge too far. Didn't get around to selling them as clocks, either. You need an accurate oscillator and immortal power, for starters. Simpler ways exist now. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo

Re: [time-nuts] FEI-565A part

2007-02-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
Google found a 27M4B1 SGS 93 2250 at electrospec.com. Sadly, electrospec has no specs, just an RFQ form. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked, So to the question, has any one ever come across a device marking of 27M4Bl or possibly a bad i(I) not an L(l

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent CDMA Reference Question

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Hawkins
Have we settled the question of whether or not the RB can be dominated (no, that's not it) disciplined by an external 1 PPS or 10 MHz signal? If it can, I'd load up on Rb units and discipline them with a modern GPS receiver - or maybe replace the OXCO in Z3801s. Bill Hawkins Z3801s do

Re: [time-nuts] Stepping up the output of an OCXO

2007-02-01 Thread Bill Hawkins
Have you investigated the concept of an attenuator, to use before the RF gain block? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- Stephan Sandenbergh wrote, "The easiest, of course, would be if there exists some integrated solution. I browsed through the list of RF gain blocks on the Mini-Cir

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
n that equation? By dimensional analysis, G must be conductance, so we have Ohms^2 under the root, and the answer is in Ohms. So, what is R the resistance of, and what has conductance G? Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Trimming Quoted Messages

2007-01-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
. That's a real good reason not to get carried away. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:58 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] US considers shutting down Loran

2007-01-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, now that China has shot down one of its old satellites at 500 miles, the GPS navigation system is vulnerable. Invulnerability is only temporary. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: Friday, January 19

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera GPS Controller Help

2007-01-15 Thread Bill Hawkins
t what AC input voltage is required from the OXCO to the board. 0.4 volts sounds really low. What's all this about resistors? You can't achieve lock if the board has no input from the OXCO. Are you sure the GPS input is OK? Did that help? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From:

[time-nuts] International time meridian

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Hawkins
ity with a plumb bob. Satellites need to be aligned with the physical center of the Earth, for some reason. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Meridian and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts ma

[time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-m-RB data query

2007-01-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
If I did the math right, a 360 phase rotation will take 2000 seconds. This means the LPRO is about 5x10E-11 off from GPS, no? What is the protocol for the data at J6? Can it be the same as the Z3801? Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts

[time-nuts] Some Lucent RFTG-m-RB data

2007-01-09 Thread Bill Hawkins
for the data at J6? Can it be the same as the Z3801? Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] New pics of RFTG-m-Rb, and some comparison details

2006-12-31 Thread Bill Hawkins
So, if we have two sources of 15 MHz in a CDMA minicell, each with its own SMA connector, what module receives those two sources and decides which one to use? Why use XO and Rb when either could be made redundant for extended reliability? (not the British sense of "made redundant") Bi

Re: [time-nuts] New pics of RFTG-m-Rb, and some comparison details

2006-12-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
Arrgh! Make that TWO 12.5 volt batteries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:15 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New pics of RFTG

Re: [time-nuts] New pics of RFTG-m-Rb, and some comparison details

2006-12-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
hat's the way it goes on the net. I may yet figure out how to discipline the RB from the XO. Anybody know how to divide by 2/3rds without a microprocessor? :-) Happy New Year (no qualifications) Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behal

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5345A

2006-12-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
ability of the crystal to age well? Happy New Year, all. At least, may it start out with a sustainable level of happiness. But if it doesn't, may you have some good fortune before the Odometer of Time clicks off another year, and we get to start over. Regards, Bill Hawkins (Sorry to introd

Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire 10 Mhz oscillator looking for info

2006-12-26 Thread Bill Hawkins
heets of plywood, with maybe 50 connectors. They were tested for continuity and isolation by a test instrument made by DITMCO. The acronym was for the Drive-In Theater Manufacturing Company. Happy Holidays, as the dark days settle upon the Northern hemisphere. Bill Ha

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-XO disassembly photos

2006-12-26 Thread Bill Hawkins
John, Many thanks for posting the photos. Now I know that there are no card edge connectors and no need to find a card rack. The connectors are not all that difficult to trace. The arrow pointing to +24 is a help. What's all this about 15 MHz out? Bill Hawkins -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] LUCENT RFTG-m-RB

2006-12-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
rself. Others are focused on something else and have no time for you. Others do not find Lucent Rb cards interesting. The cards are crap, but nobody wants to break the news to you. There is no manual. Welcome to the joys of e-mail. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

Re: [time-nuts] A Bunch Of Lucent RFTG-m-RB units on eBay This Morning!

2006-12-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
Has anyone got one of these (part number KS24019 L105A) up and running? Is a manual available? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Rabel Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:58 AM To: 'Discussion of precise tim

[time-nuts] Goemagnetic storm

2006-12-14 Thread Bill Hawkins
Yesterday, a coronal mass ejection from the sun was aimed right at the Earth. There are lots of HF propagation effects. Geosynch satellites could experience failures. The major storm will end on the 16th. Anybody notice anything in the time domain? Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nuts at PTTI this past week

2006-12-09 Thread Bill Hawkins
Ah, yes, the C field. A change in magnetic field can change the clock frequency. Parts in 1e-14 are exceedingly small. Is it necessary to correct for the Earth's magnetic field when the clock travels? Bill Hawkins Actually, that's a test that can be done at home with a couple o

[time-nuts] Clash of the Time Lords

2006-11-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
don't know Michelle and I only subscribe to Harper's, for as long as I can remember (at 68, that is not necessarily very long). Rob Seaman is quoted extensively. Poul-Henning Kamp is not. Perhaps she had no budget for overseas interviews. Regards, Bill Hawkins _

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapourrubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
Normand Martel VE2UM wrote, "With Cesium, high end techniologies like fountains or beans can be used" Yes, I know it's a typo and I mean no harm to Normand, but it gives new meaning to the term "bean counter". (Normally, a bean counter is an accountant

Re: [time-nuts] Blackout in Europe and power line frequency jump

2006-11-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
Wow. There are some sophisticated tools to measure power line frequency, indeed. Many thanks for the report. Curious about what would cause that kind of massive overload. Seems like several generating plants just dropped off the grid. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5060A option 004

2006-11-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
t it means that after you make a mistake in buying something, don't spend more money trying to repair it.) Of course, the parts stripping may not have occurred at a repair facility. The owner merely wanted meters and switches for some unrelated project. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Me

Re: [time-nuts] Earth: An Oscillator and Frequency Standard

2006-11-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
o error in angles, for instance. A clear field of view, for another. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:29 PM To: Tom Van Baak; Discussion of precise time and frequency m

Re: [time-nuts] Re Certified Time Nut Certificate, hp 117A, WWVB

2006-11-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
Tom, tf.nist.gov doesn't seem to exist. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:21 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re Cert

Re: [time-nuts] Re Certified Time Nut Certificate

2006-11-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
Ah, yes, I have one of those FAA tuning fork standards . Never occurred to me to mount it in a three dimensional gimbal in order to discipline it to GPS. Might wear out the mechanism, though, as it attempts to track the ever-shifting GPS reception. Regards, Bill Hawkins (My wife thinks I&#

Re: [time-nuts] Re Certified Time Nut Certificate

2006-11-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
If your 117A, listening to WWVB, draws straight lines then something is wrong with it. You should see a change between day and night. Ah, unless you live near Fort Collins, CO. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tom Sent

Re: [time-nuts] TrueTime TF-3 WWV Receiver

2006-11-02 Thread Bill Hawkins
I have one of those, too. No manual, of course. Some TT GOES receivers, still in original boxes, had the plastic bag slit and the manual removed, without removing the receiver. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Majdi S

Re: [time-nuts] Programmable delay 1 ns -> 1 msec for sale

2006-10-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
Please see their home page. W.J. Ford closed for business on Oct First. There is a link to an auction outfit. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:50 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com

[time-nuts] Halloween

2006-10-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
n. Something about anticipation, come on up to the lab, let's see what's on the slab ... and so on. Pardon me if it only has a little bit to do with precision time, but it's that time of year. Regards, Bill Hawkins -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-

Re: [time-nuts] GPS unit for car navigation -OT ??

2006-10-23 Thread Bill Hawkins
Check out http://www.deluoelectronics.com/customer/home.php The stuff is designed to work with a laptop via USB or Bluetooth, under $100. I tried it several years ago and found it OK, but I seldom get lost. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [time-nuts] Features of a Precision Clock?

2006-10-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
y off topic for this list. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Features of a Precision Clock?

2006-10-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
at 0.1% of a US billion dollars is a million dollars. They would like to be accurate to the penny. Is this the "cheating at the scale" problem that you mentioned? Regards, Bill Hawkins Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by the limitations of a three pound brain.

Re: [time-nuts] Features of a Precision Clock?

2006-10-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
ot an oscillator whose frequency is determined by physical properties, like a piezoelectric crystal or a cloud of atoms. What you are seeing in the power line frequency is a marvel of coordinated control systems barely restraining enormous energies. Since I'm in the control business, I think t

Re: [time-nuts] Features of a Precision Clock - Grid

2006-10-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
the delta time (integrated frequency) for 24 hours. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Glover Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:38 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Features of a Precision Clock?

2006-10-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
to say, but I hope someone finds it useful. None of the above is guesswork. I've been interested in this since a summer job on an island in 1955. I've not talked to a dispatcher, but I have confirmed the details with a control engineer at a large power station. Regards, Bill Hawkins _

Re: [time-nuts] Features of a Precision Clock?

2006-10-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
x27;s time to turn off the air conditioner and run all those clock ovens on battery before the under-frequency relays start cascading. Of course, you need the precision version for comparison. Does anybody in this group look at power line frequency drift? Bill Ha

Re: [time-nuts] Danjon Astrolabe meridian transit timing errors

2006-09-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
s feasible, where can I find a Maxwell clamp? Google can't find one. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nuts in the news

2006-09-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Let's hope that news article doesn't turn out to be the equivalent of AOL introducing their members to newsnet in the early 90s. The leader of one fine science list closed it down because there was so much new chatter and no new knowledge. Regards, Bill Hawkins P.S. How about usin

Re: [time-nuts] Re Danjon Astrolabe

2006-09-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
longer the path from the gnomon to the slit, the better. Come back in a year and see what happened. Good science takes time and lots of consistent readings from the apparatus. Wish I hadn't sold my HP-113BR clocks. They had the differential gearing to set seconds and time of day. R

Re: [time-nuts] Re Danjon Astrolabe

2006-09-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
at I create has been done with MS Word and Outlook. Can anyone recommend a pretty good starter kit for this kind of work? I used Unix and C twenty years ago. I do have precision frequency standards. Regards, Bill Hawkins The scheme probably needs three photocells to be sure that the one in the middle

Re: [time-nuts] Re Danjon Astrolabe

2006-09-26 Thread Bill Hawkins
imized the signal. I understand that optical tracking of a star crossing a hair is more precise than the peak of a radio signal, but perhaps modern signal processing would fix that. Or maybe you don't have as many cloudy days as we do. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
eet the project requirements. I apologize for trying to apply rigorous methods to this incompletely specified project. As Brooke says, we're here to have fun. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Wednesday, August

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
t. Does this shed any light on the problem? Or are we blind men wearing coarse gloves. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on WWVB

2006-08-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
8/27/06, Bill Hawkins wrote: >Have a Spectracom 8163 WWVB receiver/comparator and recorder. > >Looked for WWVB Modulation and found a hit for the Code of Federal >Regulations as 15 CFR 200.107 that covers WWV, WWVH, and WWVB. The text >says it was updated on 1/1/2006, but it is

[time-nuts] Notes on WWVB

2006-08-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
ip a whole cycle in an instant. Can see the hourly 2.08 degree phase shifts as about 5% on the chart. At 3 PM CDT, it slipped from 55% down to 12%, about one cycle. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.c

[time-nuts] Tracor 704 query

2006-08-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
vintage time-nuts list? Ah, but if you're not pushing the envelope, you're not a time nut. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] anybody have hp-5061 stories

2006-08-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
Um, what did you pay for a non-working physics package? Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] A Simple PIC Divider

2006-08-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
Wait a second - are you saying that the compiler is smart enough to account for the 'while' and the 'output_toggle' instructions to make the total execution time for the loop be precisely 50 clock ticks? -Original Message- From: Chuck Harris If I wanted to divide a 10MHz clock down to 10

Re: [time-nuts] How do I know my GPS stabilized oscillator is working?

2006-08-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
ative divider scheme, but haven't gotten around to it. You triple the 1 MHz to 3, triple again to 9, mix it with the 10 MHz input and extract 1 MHz to be tripled, etc. Or use a ringing 9 MHz tank hit with a 1 MHz pulse, which you can do when the frequency comes from a standard. Regards, Bi

Re: [time-nuts] How do I know my GPS stabilized oscillator is working?

2006-07-31 Thread Bill Hawkins
7;t be embarrassed. Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "nice box" and what are LPRO, UT+, TVB-DIV? A computer and programs I should know about? Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Monday, July 31, 200

[time-nuts] Leap second letters

2006-07-26 Thread Bill Hawkins
. Dennis McCarthy of USNO said that the definition was too embedded in the definition of physical standards to change. Besides, there are more leaps back as the Earth slows down. Just thought you'd like to know... Bill Hawkins ___ time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 lockin behaviour

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
think there's no reason for high-speed dividers to cause the kind of jumping around that Magnus reported. For that, I'd bet on one or more fractures in the crystal, caused by the rough handling that surplus equipment experiences. To the former owner, it's junk. Regards, Bill Hawkins -

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 lockin behaviour

2006-07-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
D 9.5/12.7. EFC is AD .53/.76, SD 17.8/18.2. That's over 24 hours. And that's my experience with Z3801 receivers. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Burnett Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:38 AM To: Discu

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium lockup

2006-07-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
things, especially since post-modern science suggests that time doesn't exist. But then, post-modern pushes the envelope beyond all reasonable dimensions. No criticism intended - I have enjoyed and learned from your postings. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
t. I have not automated data collection yet. Is this setup able to quantify atmospheric effects or are there too many system errors? Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Entry level systems

2006-05-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
, withholding pleasure - cease physical contact until she realizes that you are deadly serious about comparative time. If you really can't afford anything but shipping costs, I may have some things that you could use - as a beginner and not a dealer. Can you repair circuit boards? Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] National Company

2006-05-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
I think you'll find that Natco was the National Radio Company, makers of some fine communications receivers. AFIK, there is no relationship to National Semiconductors. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Brown Sent: Thu

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 22, Issue 20

2006-05-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
e from the blasting machine, attenuated. The stop circuit was normally closed by a pencil lead held in alligator clips for quick replacement. The cap broke the lead when it fired. For a while, it was used in Pinewood Derby races. It has never been exposed to weather and looks new inside. Bill Hawki

Re: [time-nuts] Windows XP time

2006-05-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
on the frequency error and the rate at which the PC requests an SNTP update. I've found the Mount Hay Tech server to be able to keep a Win98 PC well within a second with hourly updates. YMMV. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nut

Re: [time-nuts] For Sale - HP 5061B Cesium

2006-04-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
cesium inside. Cesium is flammable in water. Never mind that it is a small quantity sealed in a welded steel tube. The seller had investigated shipping and was deterred by the special handling required to ship dangerous flammable materials. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From

Re: [time-nuts] For Sale - HP 5061B Cesium

2006-04-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
t is best to be there and refuse to accept the shipment if the box is leaking peanuts. Some trust is required for payment. Regards, Bill Hawkins P.S. Is 20 the right value for beam current, or is it half of normal? ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
ng is difficult, make sure that the C field changes smoothly with the adjustment. A milliammeter in the line to the coils will work. You won't see the change with a compass if the mu-metal shielding is working (true?). Ah, can you damage mu-metal by striking it? Bill Hawkins Twenty years ago,

Re: [time-nuts] D-Links NTP server vandalism

2006-04-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
ave the most money on Earth. Move on, if you don't want to play their enormously destructive game. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

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