Re: [time-nuts] Dual GPSDO - any advantage?

2018-04-10 Thread Florian Teply
Am Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:43:25 +1200 schrieb donald collie : > I`ve just bought two GPSDO`s from China @ US$9-50 each [This is not an > error!] They are stated as being new, and use a Trimball dual oven > OCXO. I plan to run these in parallel [2 antennas, 2 feedlines, and 2 > GPSDO`s] It`s been said

Re: [time-nuts] Can I haz an anti-hydrogen maser now?

2017-08-05 Thread Florian Teply
The obvious trick would be to choose their distance such that only their noise cancels... SCNR, Florian Am Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:09:00 +0100 schrieb Adrian Godwin : > Don't put it anywhere near your hydrogen maser or they'll cancel each > other out. > > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Christop

Re: [time-nuts] For those that insist on using switching power supplies

2016-10-22 Thread Florian Teply
Am Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:57:02 -0500 schrieb "Graham / KE9H" : > Actually, if they have the "CE" stamp on the product, then they have > very specific radio interference limits that they must test and meet. > It must have been tested, certified, and the certification package > available for inspectio

Re: [time-nuts] Cable length calibration

2016-06-29 Thread Florian Teply
Am Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:28:50 -0700 schrieb Hal Murray : > > bro...@pacific.net said: > > At one point they were looking into making a GPS time receiver > > where the cable length calibration would be built-in. > > How would you do that? > > The obvious way is to compare the time you get with a

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature controlled TCVCXO

2016-05-15 Thread Florian Teply
Am Fri, 13 May 2016 20:28:04 -0500 schrieb David : > It figures that HP would have done this if anybody had. I am not that > familiar with their design history so thanks for bringing this to my > attention. > > I did not find anything in the theory section of the original service > manual althou

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS 50-ohm driver

2016-04-25 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 18 Apr 2016 18:15:22 -0400 schrieb Bob Camp : > Hi > > If our approach was to fabricate an IC totally from scratch for this > or that application, there are a lot of things that could be done. > Unfortunately, for most of us, doing that to wire up an output on a > board … not so much. >

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS 50-ohm driver

2016-04-18 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:03:11 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Hoffmann : > Am 17.04.2016 um 16:59 schrieb Wojciech Owczarek: > > A slightly naive question(s) perhaps, so do excuse me, but I reckon > > this is a good opportunity to ask since I am approaching the same > > design questions (this is a 1PPS in +

Re: [time-nuts] Reliability of atomic clocks

2016-03-28 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 28 Mar 2016 03:20:14 + schrieb Mark Sims : > > Mil-spec parts would be somewhat more reliable than commercial > > parts. > Actually, that is seldom true. The main difference between mil-spec > parts and commercial parts tends to be in the post-packaging device > testing (e.g.. exte

Re: [time-nuts] Meaning of MTBF (was: Reliability of atomic clocks)

2016-03-28 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 28 Mar 2016 01:32:03 +0200 schrieb Attila Kinali : > Yes, the MTBF is a very simplicistic measure and there are a couple > of assumptions in its calculation which do not hold generally (or > rather, it's rather seldom that they hold). Yet it gives a number to > something that is otherwise

Re: [time-nuts] Calibration procedures - what is normal?

2016-02-17 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:41:02 +1300 schrieb "Dave Brown" : > Cobham is a UK based defence and high end security supplier- > originally formed (not too many years ago) by their buying out of > several other companies in their lines of business. More recently > they have got into aerospace activitie

Re: [time-nuts] modern electronics education/jobs (was:

2015-11-15 Thread Florian Teply
Am Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:14:57 -0800 schrieb "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" : > > > On 11/12/2015 1:01 PM, William Schrempp wrote: > > > > has failed. I hear old machinists complaining about new machinists > > who can't drill a hole if the drill-press isn't > > computer-controlled. And in my work, nur

Re: [time-nuts] Beginners GPS locked frequency counter question

2015-10-31 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:50:36 + schrieb Chris Wilson : > > > 31/10/2015 10:46 > >I have a Racal counter locked to 1 MHz on its rear panel external >input socket from my Trimble Thunderbolt GPS. I derive the 1 Mhz >from a David Partridge divider board. If I also feed the counter

Re: [time-nuts] When NTP goes wrong...

2015-10-25 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:34:43 + schrieb Wojciech Owczarek : > I think this is a classic case of confusing application security with > network security. The whole idea relies on spoofing packets. A > spoofing scenario is only realistic in a lab setting. Or in case of a > physical takeover of a c

Re: [time-nuts] When NTP goes wrong...

2015-10-25 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sun, 25 Oct 2015 07:14:24 + schrieb "Poul-Henning Kamp" : > > In message <20151024123614.7bbfe...@aluminium.mobile.teply.info>, > Florian Teply writes: > > >But if I read that article on ars technica correctly, it looks like > >it is somet

Re: [time-nuts] When NTP goes wrong...

2015-10-24 Thread Florian Teply
Am Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:54:15 -0700 schrieb Rob Seaman : > Mark Sims said: > > > Ars Technica just put up a piece on the effects of various attacks > > on NTP with a link to the original paper. > > > > http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/new-attacks-on-network-time-protocol-can-defeat-https-a

Re: [time-nuts] UPS for my time rack

2015-10-13 Thread Florian Teply
Am Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:54:58 + schrieb "Poul-Henning Kamp" : > > In message <4FD0F30EBAEF49609DF207E3EE61C15B@pc52>, "Tom Van Baak" > writes: > > > >I used to rely on one massive UPS (along with natural gas generator) > >for my entire lab. Eventually I found it more reliable and con

Re: [time-nuts] TTi TF930/960 linux programming

2015-05-15 Thread Florian Teply
ing interactively and then just save the output to a file. Once > you've got used to how it all works (and there isn't much to it) you > can set up a more robust software system. > That's exactly what I'm planning to do. In the end it will always need some sort of testing

[time-nuts] TTi TF930/960 linux programming

2015-05-12 Thread Florian Teply
Hi guys, I seem to recall that someone on this list mentioned that he's using a Thurlby-Tandar TF930 or 960 Frequency counter. As I'm considering to buy such a unit for some experiments at my workplace, I figured I'd better ask around here for some suggestions. Has someone already used one of the

Re: [time-nuts] Harmonics suppression in ring oscillators

2015-03-21 Thread Florian Teply
Am Thu, 19 Mar 2015 22:26:15 +0100 schrieb Attila Kinali : > Moin, > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 21:50:03 +0100 > Florian Teply wrote: > > > My guess would be slightly different: the fundamental mode of > > oscillation could be considered the lowest energy state o

Re: [time-nuts] Harmonics suppression in ring oscillators

2015-03-19 Thread Florian Teply
Am Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:17:58 +0100 schrieb Attila Kinali : > On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 21:19:55 +0100 > Florian Teply wrote: > > > > Good, I am not alone.. I felt stupid not being able to find > > > something this basic. > > > > > Maybe we are stupid not be

Re: [time-nuts] Harmonics suppression in ring oscillators

2015-03-18 Thread Florian Teply
Am Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:23:27 +0100 schrieb Attila Kinali : > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 22:04:49 +0100 > Florian Teply wrote: > > > funnily I stumbled across that very question just a few weeks ago > > while doing my very first ring oscillator designs myself. > > Good, I a

Re: [time-nuts] Harmonics suppression in ring oscillators

2015-03-17 Thread Florian Teply
Hi, funnily I stumbled across that very question just a few weeks ago while doing my very first ring oscillator designs myself. The explanation I have come to is essentially the following: In principle, you're right, a ring oscillator CAN oscillate at a number of frequencies. Given the way the ri

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-22 Thread Florian Teply
Am Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:42:05 -0800 (PST) schrieb Bob Albert : > Oops yes I goofed, it's 500 MHz.  500 GHz is beyond state of the art > I would think. > Depends on your circuit development skills. Bipolars with gain at 500GHz are in principle possible, both in III/V-semiconductors (InP comes to min

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-21 Thread Florian Teply
that the computing shouldn't be an issue for anything nowadays. > Why bother with a hardware solution when software can > do it more easily? > Nuts answer: because we can? Florian > -Chuck Harris > > Florian Teply wrote: > > Well, if someone comes up with a circuit,

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-20 Thread Florian Teply
Am Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:45:56 -0800 schrieb "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" : > > > On 2/19/2014 9:10 PM, John Marvin wrote: > > I guess my question is who has the right to grant "exclusive > > rights" for the ability to decode a very simple protocol? Was a > > patent actually granted for this? > > >

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:56:51 -0400 schrieb Bob Camp : > Hi > > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson > wrote: > > > On 08/25/2013 08:25 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> The most common approach is to *assume* that the two devices are > >> not correlated. SInce it's a negative,

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-10 Thread Florian Teply
Hello, Am Sat, 8 Sep 2012 21:56:45 +0200 (CEST) schrieb Marek Peca : > > Well, for the CMOS stuff 100ps should do just fine. Of course, less > > is better, but there's only so much one can reasonably do for so > > many channels... Even a PICTIC should be able to do better than 500 > > ps for a sin

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-10 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:40:23 +0200 schrieb Magnus Danielson : > Hi Florian, > > On 09/08/2012 07:34 PM, Florian Teply wrote: > > The idea I have right now is employing something on the order of > > three to five comparators per output, fed with different trigger > > l

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Florian Teply
Hello, Am Sat, 8 Sep 2012 19:41:28 +0200 (CEST) schrieb Marek Peca : > > (..) But then I'll have to throw a few hundred Time Interval > > Counters at the problem in order to get the information on the > > duration of the transients. So in general, amplitude information > > comes from the compar

[time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Florian Teply
Hi fellow time nuts, quite soon I'll have to come up with a clever idea to characterize a few chips of a 130nm BiCMOS technology for transients. Unfortunately, I'll have to look at something on the order of five dozen outputs per chip, all at the same time. If money and development time was no co

Re: [time-nuts] broadband MPX signal stereo

2012-03-21 Thread Florian Teply
Am Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:08:12 +0100 schrieb Azelio Boriani : > Yes, there is people who have what in the past was expensive test > equipment and now can be bought by 1/10 of the original price. The > problem is that you need someone who can record 2 seconds of a signal > that is slightly beyond the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for an IEEE paper

2010-06-06 Thread Florian Teply
On Saturday 05 June 2010 23:55:15 John Miles wrote: > Many thanks - I ended up with a couple of copies. :) > That's why i announced it on-list as well ;-) Regards, Florian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for an IEEE paper

2010-06-05 Thread Florian Teply
On Saturday 05 June 2010 11:29:03 John Miles wrote: > I'm interested in tracking down a copy of Walls's "Cross-Correlation Phase > Noise Measurements" from the 1992 IEEE Frequency Control Symposium > proceedings, but apparently the IEEE's no longer offering their traditional > $10 a la carte downlo

Re: [time-nuts] OT - GPS and North

2009-11-21 Thread Florian Teply
Am Saturday 21 November 2009 20:32:11 schrieb J. Forster: > OK. Sme GPS receivers have magnetic sensors. What do they do with/about > magnetic deviation. > Just a wild guess: The GPS receiver also knows its location, and magnetic deviation is known to some degree in its variation over earth's sur

Re: [time-nuts] OT - GPS and North

2009-11-21 Thread Florian Teply
Am Saturday 21 November 2009 15:05:12 schrieb iov...@inwind.it: > Does a stationary (not in motion) GPS receiver know where the North is? > > As far > as I can understand, it doesn't, isn't it? > Umm, as far as i understand it, a single receiver with a single omnidirectional antenna (at least with

Re: [time-nuts] Adret 4101A, the DCF77 and a good antenna

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Teply
Am Wednesday 21 October 2009 01:16:55 schrieb Alan Melia: > Marco, have you considered that HBG on 75.0kHz might be stronger with you > from Switzerland??. In a lab or other complex quite often with off-air > standards the problem is local noise. I have a friend in Porto who used to > be able to lo

Re: [time-nuts] Gold plating on aluminum

2009-10-20 Thread Florian Teply
Am Tuesday 20 October 2009 21:01:06 schrieb Corby Dawson: > Hi, > > I am working on a project to plate the lamp reflector in an HP 5065A with > gold. The existing reflector is aluminum. What little I can find suggests > that in addition to some preliminary plating the layer just below the > gold sh

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 63, Issue 52

2009-10-11 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sunday 11 October 2009 16:57:50 schrieb Arnold Tibus: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:27:32 +0200, Arnold Tibus wrote: > > > >When used these numbers in calculations we anyway have to convert > >these ppm, ppb, ppt etc. to scientific numbers using exponents > >There are too often discussions and misund

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna and lightning

2009-10-04 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sunday 04 October 2009 12:43:16 schrieb Rex: > Kevin, > > That is a very informative description. > > I've not lived in a lightning-probable area with antennas. Here > lightining is a remote possibility, but I'm trying to digest what you > have told us. > > You said, "For example, if you have eq

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna and lightning

2009-10-04 Thread Florian Teply
Am Sunday 04 October 2009 10:57:22 schrieb kevin-use...@horizon.com: > Consider a lightning strike to be the closest thing to an ideal current > source you are going to encounter. You *cannot* stop it with series > impedance alone, no matter how high; you have to provide it with a very low > shunt

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna and lightning

2009-09-26 Thread Florian Teply
Am Saturday 26 September 2009 14:44:52 schrieb Robert Vassar: > > Nothing will save you from a direct strike. At least nothing you can > likely afford. You're more likely to get clobbered by a surge from > the grid, or induced voltage from a nearby strike. > > Use the "box method". Draw a diagra