[time-nuts] 10Mhz TXCO for LTE-Lite?

2016-09-02 Thread Jim Miller
Did anyone implement an external 10Mhz TXCO for the Jackson-Labs LTE Lite? I'm finally getting around to trying to get 10Mhz out of this with a low enough impedance to drive a 50ohm cable. Thanks jim ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.c

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Jim Miller
I have one of the LTE-Lite 20Mhz units and plan to use it as a frequency reference for my ham radio gear. My planned setup is as follows: I'm putting it in the recommended Hammond enclosure powered by a USB cable from my PC. I had originally planned to use the wall wart provided but I want to get

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-27 Thread Jim Miller
external delay line or TIC plus software the only way? Thanks jim ab3cv On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I'm reading though the manual for my recently acquired M12+T which I'm > looking forward to using. > > I notice that the manual is dated 09FEB05

[time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-04-26 Thread Jim Miller
I'm reading though the manual for my recently acquired M12+T which I'm looking forward to using. I notice that the manual is dated 09FEB05. So the M12+T has been around for about a decade. Are there more recent timing receivers available now or has the ubiquity of the consumer GPS market distrac

Re: [time-nuts] M12+T module questions

2014-04-05 Thread Jim Miller
Jim/Chris Thanks for the connector/cable info. Regarding the battery: > I used a 2032 coin cell battery and holder I un-soldered from an dead PC motherboard. > Even a coin cell will last its shelf life at least. According to the manual the module is designed for a rechargeable type while the l

[time-nuts] M12+T module questions

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Miller
Received my M12+T and would like to gather parts to get it running and tested. I've looked through the manual for a battery type description and couldn't find one. Anyone know of a part number for the onboard battery I could reference? Also looking for a mating cable/connector for the 10pin heade

Re: [time-nuts] Hanging bridge question

2014-03-25 Thread Jim Miller
Bob I'm not sure who you're responding to but I have a couple of questions: TDC = Time Delay Correlator? Could you point me to one of these 50 cent threads? I've read a ton of this list from 2007 forward but must have missed that. Thanks jim ab3cv (much to learn) Hi There have been multiple

Re: [time-nuts] Hanging bridge question

2014-03-25 Thread Jim Miller
Right now I'm planning to use a DS1123 driven by the PIC in my system to provide sawtooth correction. The phase measurement is strictly binary with a D FF. The PIC reads the value once a second and integrates with a bit of feedforward for stability. The numerical result will be fed to a DAC which c

Re: [time-nuts] Hanging bridge question

2014-03-25 Thread Jim Miller
The lowest cost solution is to do the correct entirely in software. After the measure the phase, simply add the correction. All you need to know is the phase. There is not point in correcting the pulse, you don't need a corrected pulse. What you want is a measurement of the phase. Chris I'm b

Re: [time-nuts] Hanging bridge question

2014-03-25 Thread Jim Miller
Thanks for all the helpful replies! Lots to learn. 73 jim ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Hanging bridge question

2014-03-24 Thread Jim Miller
I've spent a good part of the afternoon looking at all the plots, websites and the few papers I could find mentioning the hanging bridge. As far as I can tell as long as one is correcting for sawtooth there's nothing additional to do about hanging bridges. They merely show up as funny waveforms in

[time-nuts] M12+T Timing specs

2014-03-24 Thread Jim Miller
I'm reading the Rev6.x Users guide from the Synergy website. The timing accuracy quoted on Page 21 indicates <20ns 6sigma average without the "clock granularity message" which I interpret to mean the user is not correcting for "sawtooth" errors. The timing granularity message from Page 167 is sho

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO simulation tool

2014-03-23 Thread Jim Miller
>To handle higher tau performance I think we want a higher degree loop. >Cheers, >Magnus Is a higher degree loop possible while maintaining stability? Commanding frequency while measuring phase is one pole, integrating the result of the phase comparison is a second pole and closing the loop will

[time-nuts] Range of Sawtooth values?

2014-03-09 Thread Jim Miller
Just curious as to the range of sawtooth values that are typical for timing receivers. What's the maximum correction needed? Thanks jim ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/li

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-08 Thread Jim Miller
Hi Hal Not arguing for or against sawtooth or hanging bridges, etc. My needs for GPSDO performance are unquantified but likely quite modest. I just want to get something working that's a bit better than my OCXO. I don't think I need the sawtooth stuff to get started. Thanks jim ab3cv Date: Fri

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Miller
clock question Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > I think the hardware delay line approach is the only solution for a simple > D FF lead/lag phase comparator. It would be placed ahead of the FF. Simple? You are going

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Miller
I'm new at this obviously. I was just looking at the uBlox-6 info and I don't see where in the NMEA sentences the sawtooth info is contained. Is it a manufacturer specific option that needs be turned on? Or is it contained within a standard NMEA sentence somewhere. I also didn't see it mentioned in

Re: [time-nuts] Another "atomic" clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Miller
I think the hardware delay line approach is the only solution for a simple D FF lead/lag phase comparator. It would be placed ahead of the FF. Which GPS being built now provide sawtooth info? 73 jim ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.co

[time-nuts] Crystal question

2008-02-24 Thread Jim Miller
In my web travels so far including the NIST papers I've yet to run across a crystal fabricated as both an SC cut and inverted mesa. Are these two properties incompatible or just too expensive with no technological reason do do them at the same time? tnx jim m

[time-nuts] Antenna recommendation for Timing Amateur

2007-06-14 Thread Jim Miller
I'm planning on getting a M12M and would like a recommendation for an antenna for timing purposes. I'm just an amateur looking to discipline an oscillator. No scientific uses planned. My antenna coax is likely to be 30ft or more so I suspect I'll need an amplified antenna. The M12M outputs 3v

Re: [time-nuts] Software Sawtooth correction prerequisites?

2007-05-12 Thread Jim Miller
$31 is certainly a reasonable price and would allow flexibility in the phase comparator design. I had forgotten that Maxim had a direct sale page. My bad... tnx jim miller ab3cv - Original Message - From: "Dr Bruce Griffiths" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Mill

Re: [time-nuts] Software Sawtooth correction prerequisites?

2007-05-11 Thread Jim Miller
a GPSDO for a workbench frequency standard and perhaps for occasional use on a ham rig. My oscillator will most likely be a HP10811 or similar. Your simulator sounds interesting. Would it need to be built on a commercial package? tnx jim miller ab3cv

Re: [time-nuts] Software Sawtooth correction prerequisites?

2007-05-11 Thread Jim Miller
Brooke Thanks for the quick response. I'm definitely in the amateur/hobbyist, frequency quadrant of the spectrum of posters/lurkers here. I'm mostly interested in the homebrew M12M/GPSDO activities so the HP counter doesn't appear applicable. tnx j

[time-nuts] Software Sawtooth correction prerequisites?

2007-05-11 Thread Jim Miller
detector at the cost of a $17 chip (1k qty) which in small quantities is likely $50 or so. This would seem to allow for a wider variety of phase measurement techniques. Do I have this right? tnx jim miller ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-m-XO

2007-02-06 Thread Jim Miller
On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Robert E. Martinson wrote: > No, I was running the XO unit all by itself. My guess is that the > XO should > be able to run all by itself??? Perhaps they can, perhaps they can't, but why not prove them in their intended configuration before attempting to use a non-

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-m-XO

2007-02-06 Thread Jim Miller
On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Robert E. Martinson wrote: > I'm about to conclude that I have a defective unit and will order > another unless anyone has any further suggestions (PLEASE)? Did you have the RB connected via the crossover cable and 10 MHz cable as described in previous emails? Jim

Re: [time-nuts] Re; Lucent RFTG-m-XO

2007-02-06 Thread Jim Miller
On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Phil Staton wrote: > data on pin 9 (&5) :10020032f3ac52E109cc > starts with a colon > cc seems to be a checksum > the first 2 changes to a 1 if gps ant disconnected and reconnected, > at the same time the no gps led comes on > the zero after the 1st 2 changes to 4

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTG Units

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Miller
On Jan 30, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Robert E. Martinson wrote: > Hope everyone has not stopped experimenting with these nicely made, > reasonably priced, units, but certainly the email regarding them > has fallen > to almost zero these last few weeks. I posted a few emails with the results of my reve

Re: [time-nuts] New pics of RFTG-m-Rb, and some comparison details

2006-12-30 Thread Jim Miller
On Dec 30, 2006, at 2:24 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > My RFTG-m-Rb arrived yesterday, so of course it's in pieces on the > bench > today. Photos (along with those of the -XO) are at > http://www.febo.com/time-freq/hardware/Lucent_GPSDO/ I did some reverse engineering on my RFTG-m-RB last

Re: [time-nuts] Repair of 5370B input channels

2006-06-16 Thread Jim Miller
On Jun 14, 2006, at 11:05 PM, Randy Smith wrote: > I got a dead 5370A from Ebay to work by taking the input board (and > high-stability oscillator) from a dead 5345. HI Randy, Thanks for your reply to my question. I too noticed that there were 5345 parts in the input section of my dead 5370B

[time-nuts] Repair of 5370B input channels

2006-06-08 Thread Jim Miller
input circuitry in these units? Is there a common failure mode that occurs when signal levels are exceeded? Thanks in advance. Jim Miller N8ECI ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Three subjects.

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Miller
On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Dennis O'Keefe wrote: > The Accutron was advertised to be accurate to a minute a month. > Mine was +47 > 1/2 seconds at the end of the month. I no longer have that watch. My father used to work at a small (200 MW) municipal power plant and when I was young (1970s)

[time-nuts] HP CBT Cutaway?

2005-08-19 Thread Jim Miller
Hi, Has anyone ever seen a cutaway of an HP 5061 CBT? I recently bought a "Serviceable" 5061A from Gov. Liquidation that turned out to be nothing but an empty, gutted carcass containing only the CBT and the time of day clock option. To add insult to injury, the CBT's leads had been close

Re: [time-nuts] GPS timing receivers - what now?

2005-07-20 Thread Jim Miller
On Jul 20, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The really interesting one would be to get a pci board with the "host-assisted" SiRF GPS chip and be able to do our own math on the raw measurements :-) Another (probably crazy) thought came to mind... I wonder if the GNURadio can be use

Re: [time-nuts] GPS timing receivers - what now?

2005-07-20 Thread Jim Miller
On Jul 20, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The really interesting one would be to get a pci board with the "host-assisted" SiRF GPS chip and be able to do our own math on the raw measurements :-) That would be neat. ISTR that the Garmin GPS-25 boards could be coerced to give raw d

Re: [time-nuts] GPS timing receivers - what now?

2005-07-20 Thread Jim Miller
On Jul 20, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Has anybody tried to contact SiRF ? I have not, it was my understanding that SiRF is a chipset company, not a sensor board mfg; however I could very well be mistaken. Jim ___ time-nuts mai

[time-nuts] GPS timing receivers - what now?

2005-07-20 Thread Jim Miller
Hi, Now that the future of the Motorola timing receivers is uncertain due to the SiRF sale, does anyone have a favorite replacement receiver for timing? Synergy quoted me 2-4 weeks on an M12+ and eval board but did not sound certain that it would even be available at all. Thanks, Jim _

Re: [time-nuts] PPS jitter - Oncore VP w/NTP

2005-06-22 Thread Jim Miller
Thanks for the quick replies, everybody! My comments below: On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: pll offset: 1.106e-06 s pll frequency:80.865 ppm This is not indicative of good hardware. OK. What sort of numbers would I look for on a good system? An order

[time-nuts] PPS jitter - Oncore VP w/NTP

2005-06-22 Thread Jim Miller
Hi, I recently built an NTP reference clock using an Oncore VP on a FreeBSD 5.4 system running ntp v4.2.0-a. ntptime shows an ever- increasing "jitter exceeded" counter value which seems excessive (at least to me). Was wondering if any of you had used the VP in this role and if perhaps y

Re: [time-nuts] glossa7 being whiney on eBay...

2005-06-14 Thread Jim Miller
On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:33 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: "Special for TIME-NUTS complainers, I will sell some at this price. RUBIDIUM FREQUENCY STANDARD FROM STANFORD RESEARCH SYSTEMS PRS10, Power up with an input of 24 Volts DC. It has an output [...]" Hi, I guess I'm missing the context... w