Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hal Murr ay writes: >How do I setup 2 clocks so they are ticking within 1 ns of eachother? > >[...] > >One approach is to make a symmetrical setup: send your signal to the other >site, compare the signal from the other site with yours, adjust one knob >(pick one)

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-05 Thread Hal Murray
> With the fibre-based two-way time transfer. For shorter distances you > can do well on coax, but for the distance range you require you really > want to go fibre. That world is a bit different but can be made sense > off. How do I setup 2 clocks so they are ticking within 1 ns of eachother? I

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:33:39 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On 7/4/06, Magnus Danielson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Bill Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > However, a quick guess would be the delay caused by atmospheric effects (I &

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
>On 7/4/06, Magnus Danielson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Actually, for these distances, pulling some fibre and do two-way time transfer >should not be too hard. Acheiving sub-nanosecond relative timing should not at >all be unfeasable but should rather be consider fairly easy. Do you mean easy fo

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread bg
On Tue, July 4, 2006 19:18, Bill Hawkins said: > What causes the "atmospheric effects"? I'd expect radiation to > slow down a bit as it passes through water. Are there heat > effects as well? Does the density of the atmosphere change > enough to make a 10E-10 second delay possible? If so, it > see

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
> However, a quick guess would be the delay caused by atmospheric effects (I > don't think thermal noise would play a big role since the antenna is looking > straight up). Seems to me that thermal noise depends only on the resistive impedance of the antenna and input circuit. See Johnson noise. Or

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Robert Lutwak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:34:01 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Are these permanent installations or portable? If portable, how quickly do > th

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Robert Lutwak
sonal) (339) 927-7896 Mobile - Original Message - From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO? > Hi All, > > Earlier, I explained that my applicat

Re: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Stephan Sandenbergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:49:19 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi All, > > Earlier, I explained that my application require very go

[time-nuts] Dithering vs. locking all the clocks to the OCXO?

2006-07-04 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi All, Earlier, I explained that my application require very good relative stability between various GPSDOs. A rough estimate of my requirements is: -Baselines of 100s of meters to 10s of kilometres. -Sub-nanosecond relative stability (this I forgot to mention earlier - thanks to TvB for remi