[time-nuts] FE-5680A

2010-03-10 Thread Larry Snyder
Hi all -- I have the info for setting up the output freq. Has anyone managed to snag the info for the test points and adjustments in this beast? thanx! -ls- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi

[time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-02-06 Thread Murray Greenman
Bud, I have a couple of these units going nicely, but I agree with Bob, you are best to sort the pinouts for yourself since they vary. Take the lid off (it's fairly simple, screws on the base, on the side and by the connector) and identify the 5V regulator input, then use an Ohmmeter to find where

[time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread EWKehren
I did purchase one of the "New" FE-5680A Rb's. Looking at packaging and the housing it does look new. I have not powered it up because of +5 Volt on pin 4. Does any one know its purpose and is there a power up sequence. Any help will be appreciated. Bert Kehren Miami ___

[time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Pete Lancashire
I blame you all .. I have no reason to get one of the $40 units, but sigh .. I did. wonder how many of the 40 odd the seller had, were bought by TN's -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2010-03-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Like pretty much every other rubidium on the planet - no, not as far as I know. Most of the test points and adjustments are of the "even if we told you, you aren't set up to use it" nature. Put another way, they would have to provide a lot of proprietary information to enable you to do anyt

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2010-03-10 Thread Rex
Bob Camp wrote: Hi Like pretty much every other rubidium on the planet - no, not as far as I know. Most of the test points and adjustments are of the "even if we told you, you aren't set up to use it" nature. Put another way, they would have to provide a lot of proprietary information to enabl

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2010-03-10 Thread jimlux
Bob Camp wrote: My personal experience suggests that setting one up is indeed a black art known only to the select few. The high priest takes them into the back room and they magically come return in working order several days / weeks / what ever later. High priest goes on vacation - not muc

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-02-06 Thread Rex
On 2/6/2011 9:57 AM, Murray Greenman wrote: there should not be a 5V input required on the 5680A. There are MANY versions of 5680A. Some definitely do need 5 V input to work. From this thread, apparently on the ones that do need 5 V input, different versions even use different pins for this v

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-04-08 Thread John Green
Interesting to read the comments of others who have these. I have one I got years ago, gave up on. I knew it worked because I could see the 50 something MHz inside moving around and then locking up. I finally found out how to hook RS232 up to it and reset the frequency. It couldn't be set to exactl

[time-nuts] FE-5680A pinout

2011-04-20 Thread Murray Greenman
The confusion is understandable. There are so many different variants of the FE-5680A, and they are not easy to identify. Some of the information you see out there is from folk who measure the voltage on the pins with a meter, not understanding what they are looking at. When I've investigated such

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Jose Camara
time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] FE-5680A I did purchase one of the "New" FE-5680A Rb's. Looking at packaging and the housing it does look new. I have not powered it up because of +5 Volt on pin 4. Does any one know its purpose and is there a power up sequence. Any help

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread EWKehren
-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:31 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] FE-5680A I did purchase one of the "New" FE-5680A Rb's. Looking at packaging and the housing it does look new.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Bell
Assuming it's the same as the units I have (two labels, with "FEI P/N 217400-30352-1" on the upper label and two barcodes on the lower label) then the +5V supply runs all the logic in the unit. There are no special power sequencing requirements, but you need both supplies for the unit to operate. T

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread EWKehren
Thank you Peter With Jose's and your input I will power it up in the morning. Mine has the same part # and a date code 0330. Does yours respond to the trim pot, I plan to bring out the tuning voltage to a modified Shera controller. Bert In a message dated 11/10/2011 5:03:07 P.M. Eastern Sta

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread WB6BNQ
Peter, Is the 10 MHz output a clean sinewave or does it look kind of trashy ? thanks, BillWB6BNQ Peter Bell wrote: > Assuming it's the same as the units I have (two labels, with "FEI P/N > 217400-30352-1" on the upper label and two barcodes on the lower > label) then the +5V supply runs a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Bell
As far as I can see, the trimpot has no effect at all - the only frequency trim on the unit is via the RS232 interface on pins 8 and 9 of the connector I suspect this is adjusting the c field, but have not actually verified this. It does definately change the output frequency, though. On Nov 11, 20

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 11/10/2011 11:02 PM, Peter Bell wrote: > Assuming it's the same as the units I have (two labels, with "FEI P/N > 217400-30352-1" on the upper label and two barcodes on the lower > label) then the +5V supply runs all the logic in the unit. It looks like there are many variants of the FE-5680A...

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Bell
It's fairly clean - there is a bit of harmonic distortion since its being generated from a 10MHz square wave via a simple LC filter but it seems otherwuse quite nice. The RF architecture of these new units is quite different from the old ones and the VCXO now runs at 60MHz this is divided down in a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Jose Camara
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bell Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A As far as I can see, the trimpot has no effect at all - the only frequency trim on the unit is via the

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Bell
Hi, Alberto That appears to be one of the older units and may not require the 5V supply on pin 4 - the simplest test is just to apply 15V and see if you get an output on pin 6 at the right frequency. If so, you don't need the 5V connection. Regards, Pete On Nov 11, 2011 6:55 AM, "Alberto di Ben

[time-nuts] FE-5680A power

2011-11-10 Thread Murray Greenman
It's my experience (and I have two FE-5680A and an FE-5680B, plus a couple of FE-5650As) that you don't need a +5V supply with the FE-5680x devices, just a +15V supply. Now of course the model number has little to do with what we find inside - there seem to be many variants - so I recommend th

[time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread EWKehren
The FE 5680A's advertised as NEW are not NEW! A friend that made me aware of the sale did notice clear signs of use, so I did a closer inspection under a Microscope and found clear indications that the unit has been bolted down in the past. Does work fine and I am looking at ways to go d

[time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread cdelect
Hi Folks, I played with a few of these that came off the cut up board you describe. The ones I had put out 1PPS ONLY! Internally they ran at 8.xx Mhz that divided down to the 1 Hz. I was able to engineer a tiny add-on board using very small 10Mhz crystals and made them put out 10Mhz. By the way

[time-nuts] FE 5680A results

2011-11-28 Thread EWKehren
As part of testing the FE 5680A for aging over two weeks, all I can say that the rate is low (2 E-12?), since temperature sensitivity masks aging. Performing temperature tests, I get 4.3 E-12 per degree C. I plan to temperature control the heatsink and perform additional tests and start th

[time-nuts] FE-5680A results

2011-11-29 Thread Murray Greenman
Bert, There's a very nice way to separate diurnal thermal sensitivity from long term ageing. It applies equally well to Rb sources as to OCXOs, which is where I've used it. What you do is set up to make frequency observations against a more stable reference (of course in this case a GPSDO or

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... Bob On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > I blame you all .. I have no reason to get one of the $40 units, but > sigh .. I did. > > wonder how many of the 40 odd the seller had, were bought by TN's > > -pete > > __

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread paul swed
Though I have not purchased one or two and at this point they won't arrive before Christmas, I suspect that we time nuts really have not made a huge dent measured by the posts here. This is indeed one of those deals. Regards Paul. On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > My gue

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... We don't know the number of units he has but was can see how many were sold. ebay provides a link to bidding and sales history. I looked and I say so far "dozens not thousands". You can

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Some of the offers include free shipping, others not. That affects the calculation. On 12/12/2011 05:42 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... We don't know the number of units he has but was can see h

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Pete Lancashire
I had thought of doing the same .. but trying trying to keep the junk pile lower then the roof On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... > > We don't know the number o

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are several dozen listings for the FE-5680's if you count up all the different sellers, shipping options, and PC board / no pc board choices. My *guess* is that there are also another batch of listings if you dig into the European and Asian eBay listings. That's a lot of activity ...

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread paul swed
Pete I have been trying to keep your pile down. ;-) If I do buy them it will be a pair also. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > I had thought of doing the same .. but trying trying to keep the junk > pile lower then the roof > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Gottlieb
If someone says "or best offer" of course I'm going to make a smaller offer when multiple items are for sale. This is what the seller is telling you to do. I bought one and finally tonight hooked it up to see if it ran. After a few minutes it locked up nice. For the price, I think I will pic

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-13 Thread Andrea Baldoni
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 05:42:31PM -0800, Chris Albertson wrote: > I was searching Google for information on these. Seems if you are > not on this list info is hard to come by. I have bought one of these a couple of months ago. It's working, but I have not the opportunity to verify accuracy aga

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-13 Thread Robin Kimberley
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb Sent: 13 December 2011 02:17 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A If someone says "or best offer" of course I'm

[time-nuts] FE-5680A arrived

2012-01-10 Thread Joseph Gray
With all the talk on the list about these things, and considering the price, I could no longer resist temptation and ordered two from nichegeek. First, I was amazed at the speed at which I received these units. The order was placed last Friday, the shipment went out late Saturday and I received th

[time-nuts] FE-5680A Manual

2012-02-01 Thread Geoff Blake
I too would be interested in a pdf copy. Ideally in the way of an FTP or WWW source. I am not too sure that gmail could handle > 1MB. Thanks Geoff -- # Geoff Blake,   G8GNZ    JO01fq:   Chelmsford,  Essex,  UK    or   Using Linux: Ubuntu 11.04 on

[time-nuts] FE-5680A Question

2012-02-13 Thread Erno Peres
Hi Gents, received my FE-5680A UN 63401 S/N 0311-61144... Anybody can advise a few idea about this "module"..? >From the label I can see it requires +5 Volt but no info about the RS232... Can I adjust the " C " field from the DB9 connector Any info appreciated. Many thanks a

[time-nuts] FE-5680A pinout

2007-09-22 Thread Jose Manuel
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hello all, this is my first participation here, as I´ve just joined this interesting group. I´m trying to test a Rb oscillator FE-5680A, but I don´t have information about the DB-9 connector pinout, because this model doesn´t

[time-nuts] FE-5680A pinout

2007-09-24 Thread Jose Manuel
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Stan, Rex and Peter, Thak you very much for all the information about the oscillator. I´ve just received reply from the manufacturer, as you can see below. I´ll try to get information from Motorola, but I think it´s a rather

[time-nuts] FE-5680A adjustments

2008-06-10 Thread Skip Withrow
Dear time-nuts: I have several FEI FE-5680A rubidium oscillators running and am looking for any alignment information that might be available. I can successfully communicate with them via the serial port and can control the DDS to change output frequency. However, there are several pots and

[time-nuts] FE-5680A adjustments

2008-06-10 Thread Mark Sims
I just posted my rather long dissertation on the FE-5650A and FE-5680A synthesizer board. A critical observation is that the F=reference frequency value returned by the "S" command is NOT the value that the unit is actually operating at as shipped from the factory. It is the value that the ph

[time-nuts] FE-5680A commands

2015-06-19 Thread EB4APL
Hello, I was wondering if anybody has the full command set for this Rb oscillator. I know that FE-5680A means very different things and some commands are unit type dependent, but I think that there should be commands to monitor some health data, something similar to the LPRO-101 and FRS-C wh

[time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Bob Stewart
I decided to order a Rb standard, and I was wondering what the lower limit on the 15V power requirement is?  I have a PSU that will go up to 14.25V and my next closest is 18V.  Should I just get a new 15V PSU before this gets in?  Maybe I can make a quick mod on the big one and take it up to 15V

[time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump

2012-11-08 Thread Murray Greenman
Disassemblers are hardly rocket science. They are only a parser with a pile of memory to remember labels. Why not write your own? I've written them in the past (a long way in the past, and I've written cross-assemblers too), so I don't see anything difficult about writing one for the 8051. The

[time-nuts] FE-5680A control programs

2013-05-23 Thread EB4APL
Hello, Since I bought my FE-5680A (10 MHz, 1 PPS variety), I have been collecting control programs for it and keeping then in reserve. Now that I'm going to box it with a distribution amp I tried some of them, first of all to adjust the frequency against the GPS. I used Bob Campbel's VK4XV

[time-nuts] FE-5680A x-rays

2012-03-28 Thread Rich
I have received several requests stemming from the original posting a few days ago to include a TIFF format in addition to the RAW and PSD format used in Photoshop. My goal was to trace the 1pps and lock circuit so I did not go for smooth grayscale in the printed 8x11 pictures I pasted on my shop w

[time-nuts] FE 5680A supply voltage

2009-05-27 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
Is anyone familiar with the hazards of an undervoltage supply on an FE 5680A? I've seen reports of users running it at a more commonly available 13.2V instead of 15V. What module might be most affected? The lamp? Thanks, Leigh. ___ time-nuts mailin

[time-nuts] FE 5680A supply voltage

2009-05-27 Thread Mark Sims
The FEI units use two paralleled low dropout regulators to drop the 15V input voltage down to 14V. There is also a series protection diode that drops some more voltage. Combined you need at least 14.7V input. Anything less and the regulators will not regulate and the unit will not work withi

[time-nuts] FE-5680A heat sink

2009-06-07 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
I've attached an SMA connector to my FE-5680A and built an external linear power supply with a TO-3 7815. I ran the device today for about half an hour, and used an infrared sensing thermometer to measure the external case temperature. It got up to 48 C externally in the physics package area.

[time-nuts] FE-5680A thermal management

2009-06-08 Thread Murray Greenman
Leigh, I agree with Chuck. I have both an FE-5650A and an FE-5680A. With the former I was concerned about the heat, and so ran it only for short periods, until I understood what was going on. I had the impression from the data sheet that there were different heatsink options for different temperat

[time-nuts] FE-5680A thermal management

2009-06-08 Thread Mark Sims
Almost all rubidium standards DO specify the use of some form of a heat sink. For the FRK and M100 units this can be a heat sink with around 1" fins or just bolted to a metal plate or chassis. The military freq standard that had M100's in them had the unit mounted to a 5x5x.2" aluminum plate

[time-nuts] FE-5680A heat sink

2009-06-08 Thread Mark Sims
Also see my post from June of last year where I had measured the heat sink rise over ambient of several rubidium oscillators in free air... the FEI-5650 was very close to it's operating limit if operated in free air and not attached to something: http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2008-J

[time-nuts] FE-5680A heat sink

2009-06-09 Thread Murray Greenman
I think we've all learned from this. Good info about the Efratom unit, and sounds as though we should aim for around 38C with the FEI units as well. The FE-5680 looks to be easier to deal with than the FE-5650, so I'll look into that first. Murray ZL1BPU _

[time-nuts] FE-5680A RFS question....

2011-02-04 Thread Bud Patten
I recently purchased an FE-5680A 10 MHz RFS from China and it came with a label attached indicating the pinout of the DB9 connector as pin 1: +15V, pin 2: GND, pin 3: +5V, pin 7: RF Out. From what I can determine from Googling the manual, pin 3 is more likely a lock detect output. I have no i

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A pinout

2011-04-20 Thread Joseph Gray
I know that several list members have bought FE-5680A rubidiums. Of all the various ebay sellers that you have bought this model from, who would you recommend? If I wanted a straight 10MHz unit vs a frequency agile unit, would you recommend a different seller? Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 a

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
I just bought a couple of 5680A's that have the same FEI p/n. They are pop-riveted to a heavy double-sided board., obviously cut off from a longer board. I've removed one of these from it's board/heatsink. There are two pots on the board, only one of them can be trimmed with the case on. The sinewa

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread EWKehren
I have done some more checking and identified the C field pins: one has 2.5163 V, the other 2.5294 V. Would be nice to know which one gets varied in units with C coil adjustment. Xtal Osc. is 60 MHz on this unit. Also has an AD 9832 in it, unit is specked at 25 MHz so it does not run off the

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Pete Lancashire
They are tempting -pete (looking at bank account) On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:07 AM, wrote: > I have done some more checking and identified the C field pins: one has > 2.5163 V, the other 2.5294 V. Would be nice to know which one gets varied in > units with C coil adjustment. Xtal Osc. is 60 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread ws at Yahoo
Bert posted: "I am looking at ways to go directly to the C field to disciplin the Rb. Does any one have info that would help to do so. I don't know if this applies to your Rb but this is pretty typical of the cheapie Rb. In the LPRO the C field is created from a low resistance coil that is

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I am not familiar with how these units are set up. I have a couple of older Ball units which simply put out 10 MHz, but these FE ones seem to have this external crystal oscillator? How does that work? I've seen these 5680A's for sale cheap and they come with these external 63 or so MHz oscil

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
Hi Peter: The external oscillator is just "thrown in" to the deal; they have nothing to do with the Rb unit. You also get a gratuitous 9 pin connector. These units should be self-contained. Don Peter Gottlieb > I am not familiar with how these units are set up. I have a couple of > older Ball un

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Rex
On 11/12/2011 9:46 AM, Don Latham wrote: I just bought a couple of 5680A's that have the same FEI p/n. They are pop-riveted to a heavy double-sided board., obviously cut off from a longer board. I think those pop-rivets are actually screws with a small hex socket in the center. That's what was

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
Aha. Well, they were hollow, so I drilled 'em out. Didn't want the big card anyhow :-) Don Rex > On 11/12/2011 9:46 AM, Don Latham wrote: >> I just bought a couple of 5680A's that have the same FEI p/n. They are >> pop-riveted to a heavy double-sided board., obviously cut off from a >> longer boar

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread paul swed
Kind of joining in late. Might this be the epay womart for $49 inclouding shipping? That really is quite a good price. May also order one up. Regards Paul. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Don Latham wrote: > Aha. Well, they were hollow, so I drilled 'em out. Didn't want the big > card anyhow :-

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-12 Thread Don Latham
That's it, I think. Look for the large base and the extra crystal, completely extraneous. Don paul swed > Kind of joining in late. > Might this be the epay womart for $49 inclouding shipping? > That really is quite a good price. > May also order one up. > Regards > Paul. > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 a

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Peter Bell
I can let you know what I've found out about these units - I got given a couple of dead ones and did a bit of poking around trying to get them working. I didn't get that far, since one of the units was easily fixed (the MAX882 3.3V regulator had failed) and the other seems to have a faulty Rb abso

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread EWKehren
Pete Thank you for your information. I agree with your findings and as I pointed out previously it support the math that the AD 9832 is used for tuning. That allows them to set the Rb at the optimum operating point based on their gas mixture. What I like to know is how they control the C fie

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread EWKehren
Paul it is listing # 250911887702 from ggg*fitting. I think we will see prices dropping even more since there are only so many time-nuts. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/12/2011 10:14:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: Kind of joining in late. Might this be the

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 11/13/2011 10:36 AM, Peter Bell wrote: > I can let you know what I've found out about these units - I got given > a couple of dead ones and did a bit of poking around trying to get > them working. I didn't get that far, since one of the units was > easily fixed (the MAX882 3.3V regulator had f

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Peter Bell
Yes, I'm quite sure this is how it works - if you scope the snap diode drive you can quite clearly see both the 60MHz and the 5.3MHz from the DDS chip mixed together. My assumption is that the DDS output is subtractively mixed with the 114th harmonic of the 60Mhz inside the cavity: 60*114 = 6.840

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread EWKehren
Pete That is exactly the same math I did, there is no other choice but it would be nice if some one can help on the C field. I just finished mounting it on a heat sink added a Toshiba 15 V 3 A power supply and a 7805 and will run it for a month with out changing any thing. Will read it twice

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Seems like a lot of folks selling these lately. Curious minds would like to know why. On 11/13/2011 07:15 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Pete That is exactly the same math I did, there is no other choice but it would be nice if some one can help on the C field. I just finished mounting it on a hea

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread mike cook
Le 13/11/2011 18:21, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R a écrit : Seems like a lot of folks selling these lately. Curious minds would like to know why. I expect they are lots from telecom providers who are are replacing kit that is being upgraded. I don't see any date codes on the boxes. Has anyone w

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Pete Lancashire
here's a different layout 250896271094 -pete On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:45 AM, wrote: > Paul > it is listing # 250911887702 from ggg*fitting. I think we will see prices > dropping even more since there are only so many time-nuts. > Bert Kehren > > > In a message dated 11/12/2011 10:14:18 P.M. E

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Pete Lancashire
Telcom upgrade, just like where all the Thuderbolts came from On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > Seems like a lot of folks selling these lately. > Curious minds would like to know why. > > On 11/13/2011 07:15 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: >> >> Pete >> That is ex

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Peter Bell
The ones with the 2 labels have a date code as the 4 digit prefix on the S/N - so a unit that says "S/N 0416-756124" was made in week 16 2004. All the ones I've seen date from 2003 or 2004. The board they were originally attached to was largely empty - although it did have a label indicating that

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread k4...@aol.com
erizon Wireless -Original message- From: Peter Bell To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 18:32:26 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning The ones with the 2 labels have a date code as the 4 digit prefix on the S/N - so a unit that

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-13 Thread Don Latham
t many made by Lucent (I believe Lucent calls their Rb units > FTU's for frequency and timing unit). > > Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless > > -Original message- > From: Peter Bell > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Sent: Sun, Nov 1

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-14 Thread paul swed
t; Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > > -Original message- > > From: Peter Bell > > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 18:32:26 GMT+00:00 > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680A Warning

2011-11-14 Thread Tim
Hi All, Just a few words on the different types of FE5680. The types requiring 5v on one of the pins only have a simple L C filter to "sine" up the square wave and are only suitable for locking digital devices. The variants with the SMA or single 15v supply have a multipole band pass filter f

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A results

2011-11-29 Thread EWKehren
Murray Thank you for the info. It would how ever tie up equipment which I want to use for other projects. I am only looking at the FE5680A once a week and since we have right now what we call Chamber of Commerce weather the AC is most the time off. Temperature control will be a must any way,

[time-nuts] FE-5680A Rb Questions

2011-12-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
With mine due to arrive soon, I have some questions. 1. Will it work on 12 volts instead of 15? 2. Is the serial i/o really RS-232 or something else 3. Is there a command list? 4. Which pinout list is correct? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of In

[time-nuts] FE-5680A at WA7KGX

2011-12-21 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I removed the oscillator from the circuit board using an Allen wrench on the other side of the board. Somewhat easier than unscrewing the obvious way, especially with a worn tool. I removed the lid and lifted the plastic sheet. I did not see anything alarming. It is now mounted on the outside

[time-nuts] FE 5680a Schematic etc.

2011-12-28 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Is there a schematic available? I have a Tbolt that came with a failed oscillator that might enjoy whipping an FE5680A into shape. I'm thinking along the lines of a multi megohm resistor connecting the Tbolt DAC output with some point in the C field regulator. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R

[time-nuts] FE-5680A Shipping question

2011-12-30 Thread Rob Kimberley
I bought a couple of these on EBay recently. Would like to know from the group what the typical shipping times have been so far from China. Cheers Rob Kimberley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.

[time-nuts] FE-5680A dumb question...

2012-01-03 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
My E-bay FE-5680A finally arrived. (4weeks later) Of the pins on the DB-9 connector, which one is the RF output? The manual only talks about an SMA output. I know this has been talked about before, but I cannot find the thread. Thanks in advance & sorry for bandwidth, -Brian, WA1ZMS

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Graham / KE9H
On 1/4/2012 3:18 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Here is a set of performance plots for the FE5680A that we had measured before. Performance has improved significantly, ADEV is now in the xE-012's. Phase noise and spurs are worse than originally reported, they kind of suck. Frequency over time lo

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks for posting this. The slight hump in the adev plot at approx 1,300 seconds is interesting (and similar to what I am seeing in another Rb from another vendor.) --- On Wed, 1/4/12, saidj...@aol.com wrote: > From: saidj...@aol.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performanc

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Graham, the TSC5125A has auto-scaled the plot to 2E-04Hz fractional frequency from 10MHz, or in other words one vertical division is 2E-011 at 10MHz, or 20 parts per trillion, or 0.0002Hz error. I also don't like the way the TSC shows the frequency, and the fact that you can only captu

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Azelio Boriani
Wow, have you a TSC5125A? Lucky you... On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:12 PM, wrote: > Hi Graham, > > the TSC5125A has auto-scaled the plot to 2E-04Hz fractional frequency from > 10MHz, or in other words one vertical division is 2E-011 at 10MHz, or 20 > parts per trillion, or 0.0002Hz error. > > I a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread SAIDJACK
Yes, it is the most amazing time nut tool! The older TSC5115A is also amazing. I consider myself very lucky... bye, Said In a message dated 1/4/2012 14:17:48 Pacific Standard Time, azelio.bori...@screen.it writes: Wow, have you a TSC5125A? Lucky you... On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:12 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Bill Riches
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance Here is a set of performance plots for the FE5680A that we had measured before. Performance has improved significantly, ADEV is now in the xE-012's. Phase noise and spurs are worse than originally reported, they kind of suck. Frequency over

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Graham / KE9H
Said: Thanks fro the explanation. I didn't understand the scaling method. --- Graham == On 1/4/2012 4:12 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Graham, the TSC5125A has auto-scaled the plot to 2E-04Hz fractional frequency from 10MHz, or in other words one vertical division is 2E-011 at 10MHz, or 20 p

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Said Jackson
om] On > Behalf Of saidj...@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 4:18 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance > > Here is a set of performance plots for the FE5680A that we had measured > before. > > Performance has improved signi

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Mike S
On 1/4/2012 7:44 PM, Said Jackson wrote: They are printed to a postscript file by the TSC5125A using the "print" button on the tsc. How long until they're $200 on eBay? :-) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to htt

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Said Jackson
Mike, Buy $500 worth of silver coins or bars today. Should get you about 15 ounces. Within 3 to 5 years you may be able to trade that for a used TSC5115A... Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2012, at 17:20, Mike S wrote: > On 1/4/2012 7:44 PM, Said Jackson wrote: >> >> They are printed to a postsc

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Bill Riches
and frequency measurement Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance Hello Bill, They are printed to a postscript file by the TSC5125A using the "print" button on the tsc. After FTP download I use Acrobat Professional to conv

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread John Miles
> Hi Graham, > > the TSC5125A has auto-scaled the plot to 2E-04Hz fractional frequency from > 10MHz, or in other words one vertical division is 2E-011 at 10MHz, or 20 > parts per trillion, or 0.0002Hz error. > > I also don't like the way the TSC shows the frequency, and the fact that > you can o

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
I also don't like the way the TSC shows the frequency, and the fact that you can only capture about 9 minutes of information for some reason. Why not show 24 hours or 48 hours of data here? Said, The 9+ minutes (540+ seconds) is due to the 640 pixel display minus the soft menu that appears o

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