Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-14 Thread Rob Kimberley
Nice job!! Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of C. Turner Sent: 13 February 2012 21:03 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters Last

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-13 Thread C. Turner
Last week I noted that the FE-5680A's barefoot output was found to NOT be a suitable 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters. Specifically, I tested it on two different 10 GHz transverters and found there to be objectionable levels of grunge on signals caused by low-level phase modulation

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-13 Thread paul swed
Clint a good read and a fine approach. By accident I looked at the original filter schematic first and believe it has an error for the first output amplifier. The 470 ohm resistors in the wrong location. Others on the list have mentioned the same thing about the 5680s output being dirty. You have

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-13 Thread Bruce Griffiths
paul swed wrote: Clint a good read and a fine approach. If and only if the high phase noise pedestal exhibited by the buffer amplifier that extends to offsets of a few hundred kHz or so isn't an issue. The relatively low isolation between the 10MHz outputs may also be an issue. By

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Indeed the phase noise goes up by 20 log N when multiplying. To be precise, only the phase spurs go up by 20 log N. If they are incoherent they still multiply, but you get a bit of an offset. Bob On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:03 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 09/02/2012 01:40, Bob Camp escribió: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here is a little more on how much of a problem you have. If you would like the spurs to be down 70 dbc at 10 GHz. They go up by 20 log N. in this case N is 1000. That gets you 60 db. Spurs at 10 MHz would have to be down at -130 dbc to make it at 10 GHz. If you want noise over 10 KHz to

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-08 Thread Javier Herrero
El 09/02/2012 01:40, Bob Camp escribió: Hi Here is a little more on how much of a problem you have. If you would like the spurs to be down 70 dbc at 10 GHz. They go up by 20 log N. in this case N is 1000. That gets you 60 db. Spurs at 10 MHz would have to be down at -130 dbc to make it at 10

[time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-07 Thread C. Turner
Hello, As has been mentioned here before, the output of the non-tunable FE-5680A's has been noted to have low-level spurs in it - no doubt due to the way the various frequency loops are derived within, some using DDS techniques. It is for this reason that when I packaged my FE-5680A in its

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The phase noise of the FE's is not great, even inside +/- 3 KHz. To do an adequate job of cleaning them up, something like a 1 Hz loop bandwidth PLL would be needed. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of C. Turner

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A's suitability for use as a 10 MHz reference for microwave transverters

2012-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I am just finishing my promised stability and phase noise measurements on a batch of inexpensive Rb standards; I hope to publish the results tomorrow evening. In the meantime, I've looked at two of the FE-5680s and their phase noise is significantly worse than either the Efratom FRS or the