Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Robert Atkinson
. --- On Wed, 23/6/10, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org wrote: From: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org Subject: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question To: time nuts time-nuts@febo.com Date: Wednesday, 23 June, 2010, 5:54 At the local flea market, I picked up

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Mike Feher
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:54 AM To: time nuts Subject: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Didier Juges
Jun 2010 21:54:01 To: time nutstime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Mike S
At 12:54 AM 6/23/2010, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU wrote... At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL internally. It has the passive connector board, but not the active board with the 15 MHz synthesizer on it. Connector board? No such beast

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 23/06/2010 14:12:00 GMT Daylight Time, mi...@flatsurface.com writes: At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL internally. It has the passive connector board, but not the active board with the 15 MHz synthesizer on

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Adrian
... Mine is marked TTL internally. The service manual has a chart showing the differences between the sine and TTL options, and I converted it to the sine version by changing a jumper to a resistor and populating an LC filter with 10uH and 100pF (~5 MHz). I also terminated the RF

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
Mike S wrote: It sounds like you made the changes to the A4 oscillator board, but not the ones to the A3 power supply board (several inductors, resistors and caps). I found that using a 1 uF for C16, instead of the documented 0.1 uF, gives a better signal. See the top of page A-15 in the

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
... [snip] If you need a sine wave output but don't want to change anything inside, just add a lowpass filter. A 5th order LPF (three inductors/ 2 caps or vice versa) should give you a clean sine wave output. Just add a coupling cap to remove the DC component. Adrian _ Thank you,

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Mike S
At 04:19 PM 6/23/2010, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU wrote... If you have these values we can document the rest of this process in one place. 10 MHz sine TTL L1 ?.? uH L1 OMIT L2 1? uH Replace with R23 130 OHM 1 WATT R16 ?10 OHM NOM

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Didier Juges
. WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:44:37 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
Thank you, Didier. That pretty much sums it up. I was aware of the signal level issue but didn't consider that passband ripple would be temperature sensitive. It's fun learning to think in the long time domain. In the meantime I've found a 10 mbit ethernet ISA card in my office and will follow

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Mike Feher
. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:15 PM To: did...@cox.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question Thank you, Didier. That pretty much sums it up. I was aware of the signal level issue but didn't

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-23 Thread Didier Juges
To: Didier Juges via Cox Subject: RE: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question Sent: Jun 23, 2010 8:41 PM I do not understand why the passband ripple would be of any consequence in the big (or small as we typically talk about) picture. During any measurement interval

[time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL internally. It has the passive connector board, but not the active board with the 15 MHz synthesizer on it. Mine is marked TTL internally. The service manual has a chart showing the differences

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread David Smith
22, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL internally. It has the passive connector board, but not the active board with the 15 MHz synthesizer

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
What load do you have it running into? It maybe that you need to load it into 50 ohms. Steve On 23 June 2010 16:54, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org wrote: At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C.  It is marked TTL internally.  It has the passive