Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Normand Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:28:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ulrich Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, offset that changed annually

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-07 Thread Rick Karlquist
Magnus Danielson wrote: There is frequency pulling even in Cesium beams. Only a few beams handles the phase error pulling by reverting the beam direction. Fountains have this together with doppler reduction. In the 5071, nearly every error source has been beaten into submission. However, CBT

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Rick Karlquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:29:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Danielson wrote: There is frequency pulling even in Cesium beams. Only a few beams

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-07 Thread Rick Karlquist
Magnus Danielson wrote: What I have been thinking about is the possibility to electrically detune the microwave cavity to introduce the necessary phase shift control. The key issue with that would probably be how to detect the zero-phase shift in a separate loop not involving external

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick K arlquist writes: I can also tell you (having investigated this sort of thing) that adding varactors to the cavity to tune it is a huge can of worms that you want to avoid if at all possible. Apart from being a can of worms, wouldn't it also be pointless ?

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
But something bugs me... In both fountains and single ion mercury standards, lasers are used to COOL DOWN atoms... How is it possible? Lasers are energy sources, and (at least for me), anything that is hit by a laser will get warm, not cold! Thanks for your attention.. Normand Matrel

[time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hi folks, me and my friend Frank (who has got his hands on two of these HP5065) have a problem in understanding the frequency processing scheme of these beasts. At a first glance everything looks pretty straightforward: A 60 MHz carrier derived from the OCXO is multiplied by 114 to get a

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ulrich Bangert writes: But what surprises us completely is the fact that different physics packages need DIFFERENT thumbwheel settings to generate the SAME time scale as seen with the two devices available. This is because rubidium vapour standards are not primary

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Ulrich Bangert
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Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Agreed! But you are talking about things that happen INSIDE the physics package, don't you? Ok, let us assume that there WERE big differences in the physics packages that need to be compensated for. In THIS case the tunable synthesizer would indeed make sense and even

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ulrich Bangert wrote: Agreed! But you are talking about things that happen INSIDE

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Ulrich, DF6JB -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Montag, 6. November 2006 17:12 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Normand Martel
--- Ulrich Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, offset that changed annually. IIRC, it was typically something like 300x10e-10. Agreed! And that is what the manual says its good for! However, the question remains why different physics packages need DIFFERENT thumbwheel

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard

2006-11-06 Thread Brian Kirby
processing scheme of HP5065 vapour rubidium standard Ulrich Bangert wrote: Agreed! But you are talking about things that happen INSIDE the physics package, don't you? Ok, let us assume that there WERE big differences in the physics packages that need to be compensated