Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-18 Thread Didier Juges
x27;PFC'? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] >On >>> Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp >>> Sent: Saturday, June

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/17/13 10:39 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <51bf15a8.40...@earthlink.net>, Jim Lux writes: The issue also arises with fluorescent [...] As folks transitioned to the newer ballasts, the non-sinusoidal current problem probably got worse. I don't know about US, but in EU they mu

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Max Robinson
ps.com To subscribe to the fun with wood group send a blank email to funwithwood-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Peter Gottlieb" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure The current distortion fro

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <51bf15a8.40...@earthlink.net>, Jim Lux writes: >The issue also arises with fluorescent [...] > > As folks transitioned to the newer ballasts, the non-sinusoidal >current problem probably got worse. I don't know about US, but in EU they must have PFC correction, and the ones I've see

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Tom Miller
That's criminal! Tom - Original Message - From: "J. Forster" To: ; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure An Audiophool and his mone

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread J. Forster
Joe >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On >>> Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp >>> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:09 PM >>> To: Robert Atkinson; Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Brian Alsop
Something else has gotten much worse with switchers- RFI. While most of them are supposed to be "approved" in some way, about 80% of them generate unacceptable levels of RF interference. So do the supplies for the under the counter LV lamps and LED drivers. How was the 80% figure arrived at

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/17/13 5:33 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: The current distortion from simple transformer-rectifier-capacitor power supplies contains a lot of third harmonic content. In a 3 phase system (as are all distribution systems for commercial and industrial) the third harmonic ADDS in the neutral, or cre

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread Peter Gottlieb
une 15, 2013 4:09 PM To: Robert Atkinson; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Perry Sandeen Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure In message <1371329221.83869.yahoomail...@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, Robert Atkinson writes: While I agree with

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure - availability

2013-06-16 Thread David Kirkby
On 16 June 2013 01:33, wrote: > Greetings Gentlemen! > > > I have been following the thread on HP equipment repair, as I have a bunch > of it and am waiting the inevitable day when something starts to smoke. > That being said, I agree with the gentlemen that say fixing is better than > junking a

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-16 Thread MailLists
-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:09 PM To: Robert Atkinson; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Perry Sandeen Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure In message<1371329221.83

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure - availability

2013-06-15 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure - availability Greetings Gentlemen! I have been following the thread on HP equipment repair, as I have a bunch of it and am waiting the inevitable day when something starts to smoke. That being said, I agree with the gentlemen that say fixing is b

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure - availability

2013-06-15 Thread Kmec
Greetings Gentlemen! I have been following the thread on HP equipment repair, as I have a bunch of it and am waiting the inevitable day when something starts to smoke. That being said, I agree with the gentlemen that say fixing is better than junking and also about the diminishing supply.

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread Hal Murray
jlt...@att.net said: > Sorry for the interruption but what is 'PFC'? For terms like that, Wikipedia is often a good first try. In this case, PFC goes to a disambiguation page and there are 9 possibilities under. A quick scan finds the interesting one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFC --

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread stan, W1LE
half Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:09 PM To: Robert Atkinson; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Perry Sandeen Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure In message <1371329221.83869.yahoomail...@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, Robert A

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread J. Forster
t; >> Thanks. >> >> Joe >> >> -Original Message- >> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On >> Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp >> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:09 PM >> To: Robert Atkinson; Discussion of precis

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread J. L. Trantham
: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure Although off-topic here, the PFC (or power factor correction) is a switching mode front-end used to correct the cos-phi of the otherwise capacitive load that every switching mode power supply is for the mains. On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:52 PM, J. L

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread Azelio Boriani
time and frequency measurement > Cc: Perry Sandeen > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure > > In message <1371329221.83869.yahoomail...@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, > Robert Atkinson writes: > >> While I agree with everything else you say,

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread J. L. Trantham
frequency measurement Cc: Perry Sandeen Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure In message <1371329221.83869.yahoomail...@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, Robert Atkinson writes: > While I agree with everything else you say, you CAN have too much > filter capacitance. At le

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <1371329221.83869.yahoomail...@web171902.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>, Robert Atkinson writes: > While I agree with everything else you say, you CAN have too much > filter capacitance. At least where dc rectifier / filter (smoothing) > circuits are concerned. Increasing C causes increased rippl

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread DaveH
; Discussion of precise time andfrequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure > > Hi Perry, I was browsing a 1988 HP catalogue tonight.. > The 8566B came in at a cool 62 thousand dollars new. > Wow! > > > -marki > > -Original Me

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread Robert Atkinson
5:48 Subject: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure All,    There has been an on and off discussion of equipment failure so I’d thought I’d add my experience.   First I’ve been repairing HP equipment since 1976 before many of you were born.   I now have over 16 pieces of HP test equipment and

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread Mark C. Stephens
@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure All,    There has been an on and off discussion of equipment failure so I’d thought I’d add my experience.   First I’ve been repairing HP equipment since 1976 before many of you were born.   I now have over 16 pieces of HP test

[time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure...

2013-06-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
120 volts. I know for sure that this instrument was used in the US. Changing it to 110-120 resolved the problem and it now runs cool. I should've checked the line voltage setting when it arrived, but I just assumed... Burt, K6OQK Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment fa

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Luciano wrote: About the HP5370 please got o see my solution The fans would cool the transistors better if they were blowing on the heatsink fins, not directly at the transistors. I use a slow fan that is large enough to blow over the whole heatsink assembly. You can't hear it over the no

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Mark Spencer
me.      Regards Mark Spencer           -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:26:50 + From: "Mark C. Stephens" To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement     Subject: Re: [time-nuts] H

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Luciano Paramithiotti
on of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure > > On 14 June 2013 05:48, Perry Sandeen wrote: > > > There are two long standing truths about electronic equipment. One > > you can't have too much filter capacitance.

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Mark C. Stephens
on of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure On 14 June 2013 05:48, Perry Sandeen wrote: > There are two long standing truths about electronic equipment. One > you can't have too much filter capacitance. Two, you can&#x

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread David Kirkby
On 14 June 2013 05:48, Perry Sandeen wrote: > There are two long standing truths about > electronic equipment. One you can’t have > too much filter capacitance. Two, you > can’t cool too much. (Please spare me > the liquid nitrogen or submarine battery > comments.) > > Regards, > > Perrier W

[time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-13 Thread Perry Sandeen
All,    There has been an on and off discussion of equipment failure so I’d thought I’d add my experience.   First I’ve been repairing HP equipment since 1976 before many of you were born.   I now have over 16 pieces of HP test equipment and several units now need repair.   In my experience, the