"Bill Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The thing is, we have lost the 7-12 group, the Boy Electricians, the
> Gilbert chemistry sets and the magic of radio. TV promised to be an
> exceptional teaching tool, but selfish people with an unending greed
> turned it into a behavioral modification to
For those of you with young children...
I got my 7-year-old son an introductory kit of "Snap Circuits." If you haven't
seen them, try googling it. We got ours from Edmund Scientific.
They're great. My 7-year-old has gotten excited about basic circuits and has a
better understanding of basi
> In my opinion, the only obstacle to becoming an
> electronics hobbyist is the same one that has always
> been there, and that is interest. If you are interested,
> you will find a way to play.
Just look at what people have done with the ZipIt. They have wired
serial ports into it (by soldering
Hi Poul,
In my opinion, the only obstacle to becoming an
electronics hobbyist is the same one that has always
been there, and that is interest. If you are interested,
you will find a way to play.
-Chuck
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes:
>
>> From m
Rob Seaman wrote:
> "A Thread Across the Ocean" by John Steele Gordon. You might also
> take a look at Neal Stephenson's excellent article in the December
> 1996 Wired (http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/
> ffglass_pr.html). Wired did have a few - very few - good stories
> over
Mike
Mike B. Feher, N4FS
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Hi Dan,
Thought others might be interested, too.
>> I'm reading the history of the first Atlantic telegraph cable.
>> Great story full of details like Kelvin's invention of the
>> precision galvanometer
>
> Which book is this? Sounds quite interesting.
"A Thread Across the Ocean" by John S
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:22:32 +0100
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> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes:
>
> > From my perspective, things are much easi
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 17:22 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> But the question was if it has become (too much) harder to become
> an electronics hobbyist in the first place.
I don't think it has become harder. It may well have become less
attractive in comparison to other things one can do as a
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes:
> From my perspective, things are much easier for the electronics hobbyist
>today than they have ever been before.
No doubt about that.
But the question was if it has become (too much) harder to become
an electronics hobbyist in the first plac
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes:
>
>> If a kid wants to work in this arena, he will. You ought to see the mass of
>> equipment my son access to (that he ignores completely).
>
> I don't think the question if there is a barrier as much as to what
> t
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes:
>If a kid wants to work in this arena, he will. You ought to see the mass of
>equipment my son access to (that he ignores completely).
I don't think the question if there is a barrier as much as to what
the height of it is.
It used to be that
It's interesting that this is the same discussion the ham radio
community has been having for years now, as we've seen the kids that
used to become hams diverted to computer-based activities.
While I don't personally have a great talent for bringing youngsters in,
I'm happy that organizations l
Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> Mike Feher wrote:
>> I just bought myself a couple of Hakko model 850 hot air surface mount
>> soldering stations and various nozzles.
>
> But that is at quite a considerable cost. Fine if you are a professional
> or dedicated hobbiest, but not if you are a child.
Popp
Mike Feher wrote:
> I just bought myself a couple of Hakko model 850 hot air surface mount
> soldering stations and various nozzles.
But that is at quite a considerable cost. Fine if you are a professional
or dedicated hobbiest, but not if you are a child.
It's hard to see how a significant num
John Miles says:
> I think we're seeing the technology shift to a different level of
> abstraction
Yes - this is certainly true of software, for instance. Our team
attended JavaOne this year - along with 15,000 rabid (and much
younger) technophiles. Object oriented programming replaces
: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:40 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?
As a data point, I visited MIT last November and headed for selected
spots, some last seen in 1960. The Edgerton Center on the 4th floor
of Building 4 had a class in
As a data point, I visited MIT last November and headed for selected
spots, some last seen in 1960. The Edgerton Center on the 4th floor
of Building 4 had a class in session doing things with 555 timers and
LEDs. The instructor told me that they have resources for 12 students.
They get 25 applicati
> I can't see too many children being able to build circuits the way I
> used to, since it will be very difficult/impossible to solder
> components together. That must have a knock-on effect later in life,
> since nobody would have taken much interst in electronics as a child,
> since they were
nuary 02, 2006 9:09 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson
writes:
>
>
>>But to answer your question, younger people is still attracted and
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writes:
>
>
>>But to answer your question, younger people is still attracted and there is
>>still plenty of people having the right mind for these things around.
>
>
> A major difference for these younger people is that
Exactly. That was an unenlightened attitude for the old-timers to have back
then, and it's no smarter now.
-- john, KE5FX
> "John Miles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To the chip designer, a "component" is probably a subcircuit model that
> > exists only in software. To me, a "component" is th
"John Miles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To the chip designer, a "component" is probably a subcircuit model that
> exists only in software. To me, a "component" is the resulting chip, with
> pins you can solder stuff to. To the kid, the "component" is the monolithic
> WiFi card. There is little
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> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?
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>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus
> Danielson writes:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:
>=A1Felices fiestas y un pr=F3spero a=F1o nuevo!
>...on the other hand, no black box can be truly opaque and remain
>operational. "Things", [...] cannot ultimately be
>hidden from view. "Seeing how they work" doesn't have to be
>restricted
¡Felices fiestas y un próspero año nuevo!
Kind of a bummer of a thread to start a new year. Thought I'd
demonstrate that anything remains possible by contributing a message
that doesn't have anything to do with leap seconds :-)
Poul-Henning Kamp makes a good point:
> A major difference for
I think that part of the problem is that what used to be called "Knowledge" is
now called "Intellectual Property."
-RL
Robert Lutwak, Senior Scientist
Symmetricom - Technology Realization Center
34 Tozer Rd.
Beverly, MA 01915
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Business)
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writes:
>But to answer your question, younger people is still attracted and there is
>still plenty of people having the right mind for these things around.
A major difference for these younger people is that the technology
of today is reverse engin
From: Rex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 04:53:29 -0800
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rex,
Thanks for the kind words.
> But tonight, I'm thinking about the state of the world, in general.
>
> This is a private, and
Sorry for top posting, but I'm shifting the original topic, and
apologies for a long semi-off topic post.
I found the original post great and respect both of you guys very much.
Tonight, (perhaps some spirits, in the holiday spirit, are influencing
me, but) I thought about this discussion in a ge
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