Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-26 Thread Magne Mæhre
Magnus Danielson wrote: So far: UTC based: France, Sweden GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC based, but I do not know for sure. Norway is UTC-based as of 2008-01-01. The law on units, measurements and standard

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hei Magne! Magne Mæhre wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: So far: UTC based: France, Sweden GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC based, but I do not know for sure. Norway is UTC-based as of 2008-01-01.

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Jim Palfreyman skrev: In Australia, each state or territory defines its own time. I've scanned the Australian legal database and found bills for all states and territories defining time relative to UTC. So you can put the whole of Australia definitely in the UTC pile. OK, thanks Jim.

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-20 Thread Arnold Tibus
Magnus, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:16:10 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: the legal time for Germany (done via DCF77) , as defined in the german 'Zeitgesetz' as summarized here: http: //www.ptb.de/de/org/4/44/441/dars.htm English version is on http://www.ptb.de/en/org/4/44/441/_index.htm Thank

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Arnold, Arnold Tibus skrev: Magnus, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:16:10 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: the legal time for Germany (done via DCF77) , as defined in the german 'Zeitgesetz' as summarized here: http: //www.ptb.de/de/org/4/44/441/dars.htm English version is on

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Last time I checked, Gudhjem is the home of 777 soles. I doubt that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_(fish) It is a bit humours that the Danish translation of the EC Directive on summer-time shifts defines the shifts

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of M. Warner Losh Sent: 19 March 2009 00:20 To: time-nuts@febo.com; mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks In message: 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : I am still

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-19 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:04:51 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: Arnold, To remove another questionmark partly: I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC based, but I do not know for sure. The german time is fixed by law to MEZ=CET, the Central European Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: In message 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Last time I checked, Gudhjem is the home of 777 soles. I doubt that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_(fish) You should complain on my spelling... I knew something was fishy... I naturally

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
Arnold Tibus skrev: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:04:51 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote: Arnold, To remove another questionmark partly: I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC based, but I do not know for sure. The german time is fixed by law to MEZ=CET, the

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-19 Thread Jim Palfreyman
In Australia, each state or territory defines its own time. I've scanned the Australian legal database and found bills for all states and territories defining time relative to UTC. So you can put the whole of Australia definitely in the UTC pile. Jim 2009/3/18 Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Arnold, Arnold Tibus skrev: Magnus and all, interestlingly the discussion about GMT seem to be a never ending story, all over the world. As I know GMT was already renamed in the year 1925 ( or 1928 acc. other source ) to UT and universal time coordinated (U T C) (that) is standard

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread phil
- Original Message - From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks Arnold, Arnold Tibus skrev: Magnus and all

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 000501c9a7b1$ef689bb0$a101a...@officemail, phil writes: GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark No, legally Denmark is still on mean solar time. https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms/R0710.aspx?id=83966 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Arnold Tibus
Sorry Magnus, my comment were not related exactly to your question, I know. Mainly I did want to help to clarify a bit wether France does or not base their official time to UTC. [L'HEURE LEGALE ou l'heure en usage en France se détermine à partir du Temps universel coordonné (UTC). par le

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Arnold Tibus
Sorry again, not of real importance, but I forgot to annex the mentioned map, On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:53:48 +0100, Arnold Tibus wrote: Sorry Magnus, my comment were not related exactly to your question, I know. Mainly I did want to help to clarify a bit wether France does or not base their

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
and frequency measurement : time-nuts@febo.com : Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:27 PM : Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks : : : Arnold, : : I therefore cannot see any problem is with France, : but we have the need to define more precise and stable : reference time from where we can

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 49c033e3.2010...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : So far: : : UTC based: France, Sweden : GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark US: UTC It was Mean Solar Time for a long time, and then it was changed to Mean Solar Time as

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 000501c9a7b1$ef689bb0$a101a...@officemail phil fort...@bellsouth.net writes: : This will answers all the questions. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT Except that it doesn't answer much of anything for Magnus' questions. There's only 4 countries listed. Warner

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
M. Warner Losh skrev: In message: 000501c9a7b1$ef689bb0$a101a...@officemail phil fort...@bellsouth.net writes: : This will answers all the questions. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT Except that it doesn't answer much of anything for Magnus' questions. There's only 4

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Arnold, Arnold Tibus skrev: Sorry Magnus, my comment were not related exactly to your question, I know. OK. No problem. Mainly I did want to help to clarify a bit wether France does or not base their official time to UTC. [L'HEURE LEGALE ou l'heure en usage en France se détermine à

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
M. Warner Losh skrev: In message: 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : I am still wondering who would set up NTP servers that provides UT1 time : in order to realize GMT over NTP. It would not be all that difficult as :

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rich and Marcia Putz skrev: Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone like to speculate when France finally accepted UTC? Uhm? I thought France was UTC country... Anyone got a comprehensive list of what time scale is legally accepted in various

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi Magnus, Try this site out for size: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timezone.htm 73, Steve 2009/3/17 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: Rich and Marcia Putz skrev: Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone like to speculate when

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Rooke
And they are on CET = GMT+1 2009/3/17 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: Rich and Marcia Putz skrev: Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone like to speculate when France finally accepted UTC? Uhm? I thought France was UTC country...

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Didier
...@febo.com wrote: Never ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Rich and Marcia Putz rp...@bnin.net Sent: Mar 16, 2009 6:54 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Arnold Tibus
UTC? France? Of course they do accept it! see : Université de Technologie de Compiègne (UTC) (www.utc.fr/) [ ;-) ] More seriously: We do use in Europe, including France, CET ¡ Central European Time, Time zone offset: UTC + 1 hour. Interesting facts: The GPS navigation system has GPS Time

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Lux, James P
On 3/17/09 5:58 AM, Arnold Tibus arnold.ti...@gmx.de wrote: Interesting facts: The GPS navigation system has GPS Time as its basis. Galileo will have TAI as its basis. GLONASS has UTC as its basis, Air traffic controllers are using UTC. The latter is probably because air traffic control

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message c5e4ee4d.6481%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov, Lux, James P writes: On 3/17/09 5:58 AM, Arnold Tibus arnold.ti...@gmx.de wrote: Interesting facts: The GPS navigation system has GPS Time as its basis. Galileo will have TAI as its basis. GLONASS has UTC as its basis, Air traffic

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Poul: I've more than once misread a clock display of the type 12:34:05. I've noticed that military clocks show 1234:05 and there's no mistaking the time. Seems like a more foolproof display format. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Arnold, I therefore cannot see any problem is with France, but we have the need to define more precise and stable reference time from where we can then measure and add the Earth and Solar instabilities for our daily used standard watches, in order to be enabled still to continue living

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve Rooke skrev: Hi Magnus, Try this site out for size: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timezone.htm No. It just fails to make the distinction that I am asking for... Stockholm, Sweden is UTC+1h as normal time and UTC+2h as summer time, not GMT+1h and GMT+2h as indicated in the

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Kimberley
to correct me if I'm wrong here. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: 17 March 2009 19:20 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus, at least as of 2000, GMT was still the legal time in the UK, though it doesn't have a technically accurate definition any more. A bill in 1997 attempted to change UK time to UTC, but it died in Parliament. There's some discussion of this at pages 93-94 of a book that was recommended

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
in UTC... Have a nice day, Jean-Louis Oneto Grasse - France - Original Message - From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:05 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks Not exactly the case

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
Looks like the original post in this thread was a troll, as in fishing for bites. Anybody know this guy? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Rich and Marcia Putz Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:55 PM Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Arnold Tibus
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks Arnold, I therefore cannot see any problem is with France, but we have the need to define more precise and stable reference time from where we can then measure

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I can vouch for Rich -- he's been on the list for a long time. John Bill Hawkins said the following on 03/17/2009 06:33 PM: Looks like the original post in this thread was a troll, as in fishing for bites. Anybody know this guy? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Melia
: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks UTC is the accepted international standard, but GMT appears to be steadfastly held onto by the UK (especially Government departments). I believe that GMT is actually by definition UTC_NPL, i.e. NPL contributes to UTC, but will have a small local offset

[time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-16 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone like to speculate when France finally accepted UTC? Rich ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-16 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Never ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Rich and Marcia Putz rp...@bnin.net Sent: Mar 16, 2009 6:54 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks Hi all; Gov't got to save that money for executive bonuses! Also, would anyone like to speculate when

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-16 Thread Bill Hawkins
According to Wikipedia (a handy way to avoid speculation), international agreement was reached in 1960. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time UTC is a compromise between the French and British initials. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Rich and Marcia Putz

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-16 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:33 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks According