Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-05-05 Thread Christopher Hoover
+1 to abtime On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Jim Palfreyman writes: > > > Consider a plot of a timing residual vs time. Say a watch against a > maser, > > residual=watch-maser. > > We usually don't use the word residual for this. When you compare a watch > with a maser, o

Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-20 Thread Tom Van Baak
Jim Palfreyman writes: > Consider a plot of a timing residual vs time. Say a watch against a maser, > residual=watch-maser. We usually don't use the word residual for this. When you compare a watch with a maser, or any DUT time against REF time, you get a quantity like: phase difference, or som

Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi On a normal GPSDO holdover spec, you are concerned with the maximum time error over a specified period. Generally it’s going to be a 24 hour holdover, but it can be longer or shorter depending on the application. The good old CDMA spec got out into the 10 to 11 us range at 24 hours. Various OE

Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-20 Thread Tim Shoppa
I looked at AN1279 and other HP Smartclock documents that were written for the telco holdover specs, and they always put a zero axis on the frequency offset, but I was surprised that for example fig A4 of AN1279 seems to be suppressing the zero axis for the time error. So they seemed to be unconcer

Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Hi I think your “quest” to find the terms as they relate to motion is a pretty good example of just how unusual these terms are. Once you go past displacement, they are hardly common vocabulary. My guess is that nobody has ever come up with terms in the time domain that have made it into the

Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-20 Thread David C. Partridge
I think that should be "absity" (s not c) Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Palfreyman Sent: 20 April 2017 06:18 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timin

Re: [time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 04/20/2017 07:17 AM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: Folks, I'm after the formal name of something (if it exists), and this group, if any, should know. Consider a plot of a timing residual vs time. Say a watch against a maser, residual=watch-maser. Now if I now plot the cumulative sum (think int

[time-nuts] Name of integral of timing residual

2017-04-19 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Folks, I'm after the formal name of something (if it exists), and this group, if any, should know. Consider a plot of a timing residual vs time. Say a watch against a maser, residual=watch-maser. Now if I now plot the cumulative sum (think integral) of the residual, that's going to give me an ov