Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread Bob Camp
; up the reference. I can >>>> use *both* inputs for DUT’s rather than using one as a reference. >>>> >>>> Part of the reason I’m guessing this would work is the claim that >>>> boards can be stacked for multiple >>>> in

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
sync to the ps level. And it also takes into account any propagation delays on your board, connector and cables. /tvb - Original Message - From: "John Ackermann N8UR" To: Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: t

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
quot; time-nuts-boun...@febo.com To "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com Cc Date Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:48:57 -0500 Subject [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are d

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread Bob Camp
quisitions, >>> and Timelab as real time display,using the two indipendent input channels >>> and the 10Mhz clock as single reference. >>> Luciano >>> www.timeok.it >>> >>> >>> From "time-nuts" time-nuts-boun...@febo.c

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
016 10:48:57 -0500 Subject [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are difficult. They require either outrageous clock speeds, or interpolators that are typically a bunch of analog components mixed with black magic and stir

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
o "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com Cc Date Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:48:57 -0500 Subject [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are difficult. They require either outrage

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread Bob Camp
> Date Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:48:57 -0500 > Subject [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC > Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are difficult. They require > either outrageous clock speeds, or interpolators that are typically a > bunch of analog compo

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-27 Thread timeok
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com To "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com Cc Date Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:48:57 -0500 Subject [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are difficult. Th

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-26 Thread timeok
From: "John Ackermann N8UR" Date: 2016/11/25 22:57:33 To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement";"David"; Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC Hi Dave -- I should clarify -- this UI is just a c

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-25 Thread Li Ang
ot;Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement";"David"; Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC Hi Dave -- I should clarify -- this UI is just a character-based menu system using a dumb terminal program. The code is implemented w

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Dave -- I should clarify -- this UI is just a character-based menu system using a dumb terminal program. The code is implemented within the Arduino. It's written in the somewhat nonstandard C/C++ used by the Arduino IDE. This morning I'm going to add a "TODO-UI" file to the git repositor

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-25 Thread David
John, In what language is the GUI written? I might be able to help on that, or other parts of the software, if someone else hasn't yet volunteered. Dave, WA8YWQ On 2016-11-24 06:43, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Hi Anders -- > > Thanks, and thanks for the info on the 53230A. I have not u

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
John Whilst its the highest resolution HP/Agilent/Keysight general purpose counter, one of the Acquiris timestamping instruments specifies 5ps noise.Whilst no detailed circuit schematics are publicly available, the datasheet says just enough to allow me to figure  out how they do it.Your timesta

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, Bruce, I'll update the web page to reference the 53230A as the best resolution device currently available. On 11/24/2016 01:03 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: John There is an application note or similar on the 53230A that indicates that the single shot noise for time interval measurement i

[time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread Mark Sims
I might be able to add support to Lady Heather.Lady Heather does have code for calculating and displaying ADEV, HDEV, MDEV, and TDEV (it came from Timelab). Also has data logging capabilities. And can also calculate FFTs of the data. It can already read Timelab .TIM files. -

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread jimlux
On 11/24/16 6:43 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Hi Anders -- Thanks, and thanks for the info on the 53230A. I have not used one of those myself but the data sheet lists 20ps single-shot. Also I should note that the TICC does not compete with counters like the 53230A for high speed measurement,

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
John There is an application note or similar on the 53230A that indicates that the single shot noise for time interval measurement is typically about 13ps or so. Bruce On Thursday, November 24, 2016 09:43:54 AM John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Hi Anders -- > > Thanks, and thanks for the info on t

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, Andrew. Yes, it is weird how the Arduino folks choose what capabilities to expose on the board. From some testing I did, it seems that the Arduino handles the 100 kHz interrupt rate without too much strain -- it became a bigger issue at 250 kHz or above -- but the timers would have be

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Anders -- Thanks, and thanks for the info on the 53230A. I have not used one of those myself but the data sheet lists 20ps single-shot. Also I should note that the TICC does not compete with counters like the 53230A for high speed measurement, or frequency counting. It does far fewer me

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
1-2ps rms single shot noise timestamping is feasible with embedded (occurs as part of the interpolation process) interpolator calibration. Only calibration of the differential delay between channels is required, as is required by all such instruments. However the cost for such a timestamping cou

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread Anders Wallin
Nice work! On the website in the introduction you mention 22ps single-shot time-stamping on the 5370A/B. I think it's well established that the 53230A does about 11-12 ps for time-intervals, which corresponds to about 9 ps single-channel. see for example: http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uplo

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-24 Thread Andrew Rodland
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:48 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > The TICC is implemented as a two-channel timestamping counter. That means > it can measure one or two low-frequency (e.g., pulse-per-second) inputs > against an external 10 MHz reference, or it can do a traditional time > interval mea

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-23 Thread Peter Vince
Fantastic John - well done! Yes, I'll definitely put an order in as soon as possible. Regards, Peter (G8ZZR, London) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tim

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-23 Thread Christopher Hoover
That TI TDC7200 really is a nice part. Neat project! Will buy . Two thumbs up. On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:48 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are difficult. They require > either outrageous clock speeds, or interpolators that are typically a bunch

Re: [time-nuts] New Timestamping / Time Interval Counter: the TICC

2016-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Cool !!! Bob > On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:48 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > > Counters with resolution below 1 nanosecond are difficult. They require > either outrageous clock speeds, or interpolators that are typically a bunch > of analog components mixed with black magic and stirred by f