Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-17 Thread Jack Hudler
requency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >Rasputin Novgorod wrote: >But seriously, why are you dragging your misinformed opinions >into time-nuts (even if you intended it as a joke)? Taking fun as

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-17 Thread Rob Kimberley
:-) Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 17 January 2007 20:49 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >Rasputin Novgorod wrote: >But seriously, why are you dragging your misinformed opinions >into time-nuts (even if you intended it as a joke)? Taking fun as simply fun and earnestness in earnest shows

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-17 Thread Chuck Harris
Rasputin Novgorod wrote: >> There is such a thing like personal responsibility, even without >> a constitutional right to bear guns :-) > > Actually, it is a constitutional Right to bare Arms. > This has been much missunderstood. The constitution > was being hammered out during a very hot summer.

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-17 Thread Rasputin Novgorod
> There is such a thing like personal responsibility, even without > a constitutional right to bear guns :-) Actually, it is a constitutional Right to bare Arms. This has been much missunderstood. The constitution was being hammered out during a very hot summer. The conservatives where insisting

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-16 Thread David Forbes
At 9:06 PM -0500 1/15/07, Chuck Harris wrote: >Michael Sokolov wrote: >> Hello again, >> >> Thanks to everyone who has replied to my query! >> >> I have a few additional questions though: >> >> 1. What about the tin whiskers? Will they be eliminated by using SnPb >> solder, or will they alway

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-16 Thread Gerald Molenkamp
Happy soldering. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap > In message <[EMAIL

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: Chuck, you are entitled to your opinions, but some of your assumptions indicate that you havn't been in Europe for any amount of time, so I'll just correct those of of your mistakes that applies to over here: >Oh darn! Another toothless regul

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Michael Sokolov wrote: > Hello again, > > Thanks to everyone who has replied to my query! > > I have a few additional questions though: > > 1. What about the tin whiskers? Will they be eliminated by using SnPb > solder, or will they always remain a potential problem when one is > forced to use

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: > > Sorry, incoming rant: > >> Especially when you consider the amount of lead that will enter >> the environment when a single automotive battery (which are not >> subject to RoHS, by the way) is improperly dumped. >

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Sokolov
Hello again, Thanks to everyone who has replied to my query! I have a few additional questions though: 1. What about the tin whiskers? Will they be eliminated by using SnPb solder, or will they always remain a potential problem when one is forced to use a Pb-free part? 2. Several people have r

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Rob Kimberley
RoHS = yet another wacky EU Directive. Why did we ever join this nonsense?? Rob K - (in UK) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Sokolov Sent: 15 January 2007 18:52 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap Hello time

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: Sorry, incoming rant: >Especially when you consider the amount of lead that will enter >the environment when a single automotive battery (which are not >subject to RoHS, by the way) is improperly dumped. Automotive batteries are subject to dif

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread John Miles
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Harris Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:38 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap Especially when you consider the amount of lead that will enter the environment when a single

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Chuck, from a manufacturer's perspective: 1) Test & MEasurement electronics are exempt at least until 2009, maybe until 2011 or longer. Good for us, we can keep using the good old Pb. 2) Consumer products reliability just took a steep dive due to tin whiskers causing shorts in t

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
January 15, 2007 2:24 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap > > Hi Michael, > > RoHS parts usually solder nicely with normal 63/37 solder. They will > dilute the solder alloy slightly, but that usually is of no

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Daun Yeagley
e and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap Hi Michael, RoHS parts usually solder nicely with normal 63/37 solder. They will dilute the solder alloy slightly, but that usually is of no concern. The big problem with RoHS parts is they don't age well on the shelf. I have found

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Michael, RoHS parts usually solder nicely with normal 63/37 solder. They will dilute the solder alloy slightly, but that usually is of no concern. The big problem with RoHS parts is they don't age well on the shelf. I have found that over time, they will not take solder as quickly as when the

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread John Miles
till get SnPb solder, but it's not the end of the world. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Sokolov Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:52 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap Hello time-nuts,

[time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Sokolov
Hello time-nuts, Sorry for the off-topic post, but reading my mail this morning I've seen a few messages go by on this list about bad solder joints due to the RoHS stupidity, and I have a question about that. My interest in the matter is from the perspective of a hobbyist hardware builder -- of t