[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
I have measured the accuracy of the time base of my M-Audio Delta 44 sound card with the tolerance (and the accuracy) of 2.5 ppm I modified my program TCube for a sampling rate of 96 kHz, and set it for 40 kHz output. I connected the output to my 5328B (whose time base is driven by

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: P.S. Let me please test how this reflector behaves when sending HTML messages... I have noticed a strange behavior in the past... it insists on reformatting the HTML message at its will... Here following there should be an image... let's see if it shows up

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Alberto di Bene wrote: Alberto di Bene wrote: P.S. Let me please test how this reflector behaves when sending HTML messages... I have noticed a strange behavior in the past... it insists on reformatting the HTML message at its will... Here following there should be an image... let's see

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: The list is set to convert HTML to plain text. That's what Mailman defaults to on setup, but I pretty strongly agree with that approach, so left it as is. Yes please, no HTML if we can avoid it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
The list is set to convert HTML to plain text. That's what Mailman defaults to on setup, but I pretty strongly agree with that approach, so left it as is. Yes please, no HTML if we can avoid it. HTML is of course a vehicle of infections and the use of net resources is not optimal,

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Because it is a differential measurement between the two channels (which are sampled exactly the same time due to the adc hardware) the first idea was, that the effects introduced by the not so good sample clock of a ordinary sound card may cancel out completely. Beware

AW: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Ulrich Bangert wrote: Because it is a differential measurement between the two channels (which are sampled exactly the same time due to the adc hardware) the first idea was, that the effects introduced by the not so good sample clock of a ordinary

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Alberto, My point in starting this whole controversy was that there are no adjustments on the sound cards, and the oscillators are just garden variety in quality. Typically, they are simply a miniature crystal that runs an oscillator on an ASIC. The accuracy your card gets is

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: No one has yet addressed the actual oscillator that is on board the sound card. What are they using on the Delta 44? ... the Aureon Sky? I would have much more confidence if they would at least use a cheap TCXO module. Using a tcxo for a

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul, I am quite aware that making a soundcard more accurate is gilding the lilly. But if you return to the middle of this thread, where I offered powerline noise up as a reasonably accurate, ubiquitious timing reference, and had my suggestion refuted by a gentleman with a soundcard based

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Poul, Hi Chuck, I am quite aware that making a soundcard more accurate is gilding the lilly. But if you return to the middle

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat the experiment let me know.

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: David Kirkby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David, Unfortunately, while my 5328B has the HPIB interface, my PC doesn't, so I cannot collect data automatically, otherwise

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are better supported than other makes. I have an ISA GPIB card

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread John Miles
: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:46 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card David Kirkby wrote: ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Alberto di Bene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:45:59 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are better supported than other makes. I have

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... 73 Alberto I2PHD

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... I was wrong ! I have just found the drivers here : http://www.cec488.com/gpibupgd.html A free download... now the quest for the ISA PC can start... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy...

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
I know :-( I checked the NI prices and for such a card they want a couple hundreds Euros or more... I am wondering... I know of the existence of USB = RS232 adaptors. May be someone sells also USB = GPIB converters ? Nobody knows ? 73 Alberto I2PHD Alberto, I do almost all my

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Daun Yeagley
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:43 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card I know :-( I checked the NI prices and for such a card they want a couple

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread John Miles
, 2005 7:50 PM To: Tom Van Baak; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Agilent also now has a USB to GPIB converter. Of course it's several hundred dollars also, and uses the Agilent I/O libraries. Not sure, but I think