Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: What stops working when things get cold? On Mars, the solar cells are pointed in the right direction. Why doesn't it recover when the sun comes back in the Spring? They run out of power for running the battery heaters, then the battery freezes and fails.

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread DaveH
] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: What stops working when things get cold? On Mars, the solar cells are pointed in the right direction. Why doesn't it recover when

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/21/13 11:03 PM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: What stops working when things get cold? On Mars, the solar cells are pointed in the right direction. Why doesn't it recover when the sun comes back in the Spring? They run out of power for running the battery

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, since this thread has recurred and there seem to be people with good knowledge here, I've got to ask how a spacecraft that has lost its ability to aim antennas at Earth or align solar panels with the sun could possibly be diagnosed with having a time tagging problem? Jim Lux pretty well

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/22/13 10:07 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Well, since this thread has recurred and there seem to be people with good knowledge here, I've got to ask how a spacecraft that has lost its ability to aim antennas at Earth or align solar panels with the sun could possibly be diagnosed with having a

[time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Mark Sims
And my favorites: Nickel-Hyrdogen cells and their silvery cousins. You have to work REALLY hard to kill them. --- for rechargeable? NiCd (in the past) Lithium Ion (now) ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: We are talking about running computers and radio gear rather than motors. I can see running motors in bursts from batteries, but computers and radios generally run continuously so they shouldn't need a battery when

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/22/13 4:48 PM, Mark Sims wrote: And my favorites: Nickel-Hyrdogen cells and their silvery cousins. You have to work REALLY hard to kill them. Yes, forgot the NiMH too.. although they self discharge --- for rechargeable? NiCd (in the past) Lithium Ion (now)

[time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-22 Thread Mark Sims
No, I'm talking about nickel/gaseous hydrogen cells. Basically they can't be overcharged/overdischarged/frozen to death. State of charge can be determined by a pressure reading. Can be cycled a zillion times. -- And my favorites: Nickel-Hyrdogen cells and their

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/20/13 5:12 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Low bid wrist watch used as time base? - I'd bet there is some form of master time tick in their RTOS that keeps everything pumping. Loose the time tick (or the time tick count) and it all goes away… yes and no. Most

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Jim Lux
from JPL http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-275 Mission controllers postulate that there was an anomaly generated by the spacecraft's software which left the vehicle's computers in a condition where they are continuously rebooting themselves. If this is the case, the computers

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So it's a pretty good AT cut crystal without any compensation of heating. Not quite a cheap wrist watch, but not a BVA in a dewar flask either. Bob On Sep 21, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: from JPL http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-275 Mission

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/21/2013 02:52 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi So it's a pretty good AT cut crystal without any compensation of heating. Not quite a cheap wrist watch, but not a BVA in a dewar flask either. The environmental perturbations should go quite slow most of the time, as it glides in the void slowly

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/21/13 5:52 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi So it's a pretty good AT cut crystal without any compensation of heating. Not quite a cheap wrist watch, but not a BVA in a dewar flask either. Yep. The AuxOsc is what is used if you don't want to have the downlink locked to the uplink.

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/21/13 6:03 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/21/2013 02:52 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi So it's a pretty good AT cut crystal without any compensation of heating. Not quite a cheap wrist watch, but not a BVA in a dewar flask either. The environmental perturbations should go quite slow most of

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/21/2013 03:26 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 9/21/13 6:03 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/21/2013 02:52 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi So it's a pretty good AT cut crystal without any compensation of heating. Not quite a cheap wrist watch, but not a BVA in a dewar flask either. The environmental

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread David J Taylor
from JPL http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-275 Mission controllers postulate that there was an anomaly generated by the spacecraft's software which left the vehicle's computers in a condition where they are continuously rebooting themselves. If this is the case, the computers

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: If it gets cold enough (without power from solar cells, it won't generate enough internal heat to keep warm), it will die. That's probably what happened to Spirit on Mars. It got cold enough during the Martian winter, and with not enough solar power, enough

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/21/13 6:40 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: If it gets cold enough (without power from solar cells, it won't generate enough internal heat to keep warm), it will die. That's probably what happened to Spirit on Mars. It got cold enough during the Martian winter, and

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-21 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: What stops working when things get cold? On Mars, the solar cells are pointed in the right direction. Why doesn't it recover when the sun comes back in the Spring? They run out of power for running the battery

[time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-20 Thread David J Taylor
NASA's Deep Space Comet Hunter Mission Comes to an end The news release includes this paragraph: After losing contact with the spacecraft last month, mission controllers spent several weeks trying to uplink commands to reactivate its onboard systems. Although the exact cause of the loss is

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-20 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Winders? -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2013 2:51 AM To: Time-nuts mailing list Subject: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

Re: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem

2013-09-20 Thread Bob Camp
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2013 2:51 AM To: Time-nuts mailing list Subject: [time-nuts] Space mission comes to an end becuase of a computer time tagging problem NASA's Deep Space Comet Hunter Mission Comes to an end The news release