Re: [time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-30 Thread Bruce Griffiths
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 05:06:38 PM James Flynn wrote: Martyn Smith martyn@... writes: MEASUREMENT TECHNIQUE We have three sources close in frequency (within 1 x 10E-8 of each other). Two sources are connected to the Ch0 and Ch 2 inputs of the timepod, the unit under test to

Re: [time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-30 Thread John Miles
The is a publication by the NPL that talks about a similar technique, but comes to a somewhat different conclusion. http://publications.npl.co.uk/npl_web/pdf/mgpg68.pdf Bottom line: it holds that the phase noise of all three sources can be determined if they are taken two at a time; one

Re: [time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
John, On 08/31/2015 12:37 AM, John Miles wrote: The is a publication by the NPL that talks about a similar technique, but comes to a somewhat different conclusion. http://publications.npl.co.uk/npl_web/pdf/mgpg68.pdf Bottom line: it holds that the phase noise of all three sources can be

Re: [time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-30 Thread John Miles
On that note, did you look more closely on the NIST analysis of cross-correlation and a possible cancellation and thus overly optimistic results? Did it have any consequence on your code? What did you take away from it? Yes, you can definitely get divots in the PN trace, especially in

Re: [time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi John, On 08/31/2015 05:12 AM, John Miles wrote: On that note, did you look more closely on the NIST analysis of cross-correlation and a possible cancellation and thus overly optimistic results? Did it have any consequence on your code? What did you take away from it? Yes, you can

[time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-29 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, HISTORY I make GPS/GNSS frequency standards (ultra low phase noise types) and I always have to prove my results to the customer. John Miles told me how to make absolute phase noise measurements using three sources with the timepod. MEASUREMENT TECHNIQUE We have three sources

Re: [time-nuts] Timepod Phase Noise Measurements and 3 corner hat

2015-08-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Martyn, Thanks for this report. This is exactly why I invested in the time-pod and why I use 2 reference sources for measurements. It would be interesting to see papers on the validation of these measurements. Cheers, Magnus On 08/29/2015 01:54 PM, Martyn Smith wrote: Hello, HISTORY I