Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-08-01 Thread Didier Juges
Have you looked at the blitzortung.org system? There may be some ideas to glean from that On July 28, 2016 6:12:54 PM CDT, Jerome Blaha wrote: >Hi Guys, > >This is a little outside of time-nuts scope, but not by much. I'm >interested in finding the time between two rising edges above a set >th

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse

2016-07-30 Thread albertson . chris
You might be better off scanning than wide band. Even with a slow scanner you can cover the entire RF range every few meters of car travel. But I would sample as fast as you can. Hundreds of millions per second. This gives best sensitivity and noise Use gnu radio software and Their SDR radio

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-30 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Jerome, This may or may not be of any help, but have you considered using several RTL-SDR devices running at the same time?  You'd need to use a common clock, and probably a number of other enhancements.  But, if you could pull it off, you'd have a wideband RDF type of device.  You'd probably

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse

2016-07-30 Thread David
I have an Optoelectronics 3000A and as far as I know, the only thing distinguishing this capability from any other frequency counter is discrimination on the digital side which filters unstable counts. In practice it operates like an FM receiver where the strongest signal captures the input. If I

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse

2016-07-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jerome: Some time ago a company called Opto Electronics made a frequency counter with a small antenna that would count the frequency of a nearby signal. They call these Near Field Receivers. Some modern scanner radios incorporate some of these ideas. http://www.prc68.com/I/BC125AT.html --

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse

2016-07-29 Thread Jerome Blaha
Thank you all who responded including Bob, Attila, Vlad, Brooke, and Chris for some great suggestions. This is a fun side project of mine to passively detect RF emitters based upon strongest nearby signal using ToA pulses from cheap log power sensors or perhaps the Watson-Watt method. The hope

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:23:02 -0700 Chris Albertson wrote: > Sounds like you want to build something rather then use some > instruments you can buy. I've thought a little about this too as I > want to make a LIDAR to measure distance using a laser pulse. In my > case I want both low cost and fo

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-29 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jerome: The Vietnam era Radar Warning Systems used 4 wide band antennas (nose, tail & wing tips) and displayed the bearing, rough distance & threat type on a CRT. Near the antenna was a crystal video receiver using a multi channel filter driving Schottky diode detectors. The output from eac

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-29 Thread Chris Albertson
Sounds like you want to build something rather then use some instruments you can buy. I've thought a little about this too as I want to make a LIDAR to measure distance using a laser pulse. In my case I want both low cost and for the device to be very small and light and run off a battery I thi

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-29 Thread Vlad
May be some more accurate alternative to AD8302 could do that. AD8302 could measure Gain/Loss and Phase up to 2.7 GHz. I using one in my project and its doing its job right (I think). On 2016-07-28 19:12, Jerome Blaha wrote: Hi Guys, This is a little outside of time-nuts scope, but not by

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 23:12:54 + Jerome Blaha wrote: > Hi Guys, > > This is a little outside of time-nuts scope, but not by much. > I'm interested in finding the time between two rising edges above a set > threshold with preferably nS or high ps timing accuracy. Can this be simply > done wi

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-28 Thread Scott Stobbe
Taking a look for it also turned up a recent time-nuts thread https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2016-May/097801.html On Thursday, 28 July 2016, Scott Stobbe wrote: > There was a pic app note on alternate uses for the cap sense block a while > back, not sure it that it will push you into

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you have a need to do < 1 ns with a counter approach, the counter will need to have a GHz clock in it. If you want to use an MCU counter, it will need to have a GHz level clock routed to it. You are unlikely to find an MCU that will do that. An FPGA can get you to 1.25 ns with direct coun

Re: [time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-28 Thread Scott Stobbe
There was a pic app note on alternate uses for the cap sense block a while back, not sure it that it will push you into the ps. On Thursday, 28 July 2016, Jerome Blaha wrote: > Hi Guys, > > This is a little outside of time-nuts scope, but not by much. I'm > interested in finding the time betwee

[time-nuts] Very Accurate Delta Time RF Pulse Measurements

2016-07-28 Thread Jerome Blaha
Hi Guys, This is a little outside of time-nuts scope, but not by much. I'm interested in finding the time between two rising edges above a set threshold with preferably nS or high ps timing accuracy. Can this be simply done with a few programmed Microchip PICs or with a good short term OCXO c