Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread saidjack
No need for that, just buy all ~18 million tickets (would cost $18 million in the US) if the jackpot is ~$60 million or higher, which it often is... I read someone from Australia did that in New York, and won.. In a message dated 12/23/2009 23:38:27 Pacific Standard Time,

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Didier Juges
-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts? No need for that, just buy all ~18 million tickets (would cost $18 million in the US) if the jackpot is ~$60 million or higher, which it often is... I read someone from Australia did that in New York, and won

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Scott Newell
At 01:57 PM 12/24/2009, saidj...@aol.com wrote: No need for that, just buy all ~18 million tickets (would cost $18 million in the US) if the jackpot is ~$60 million or higher, which it often is... I read someone from Australia did that in New York, and won.. Yeah, I've read this story before

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Scott Newell new...@cei.net wrote: At 01:57 PM 12/24/2009, saidj...@aol.com wrote: No need for that, just buy all ~18 million tickets (would cost $18 million in the US) if the jackpot is ~$60 million or higher, which it often is... To improve your odds in

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread J. Forster
Many years ago, when the State Lottern Numbers Game started up here, I noticed that doubles were coming up a lot... like 4662. I was utterly convinced they were overrepresented. However, being cheap and sane, I decided to test the theory before spending $$. I collected ALL the numbers for a year

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Scott Newell
At 03:56 PM 12/24/2009, J. Forster wrote: Many years ago, when the State Lottern Numbers Game started up here, I noticed that doubles were coming up a lot... like 4662. I was utterly convinced they were overrepresented. That reminds me...one of the footnotes in Wolfram's A New Kind Of

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread J. Forster
Lucky for me! I was 1A when the first lottery was held. The numbers on each side of my birthday came up in the low teens. Mine came up well over 350. I ceased to worry about the Draft at that moment. -John At 03:56 PM 12/24/2009, J. Forster wrote: Many years ago, when the

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
J. Forster wrote: Many years ago, when the State Lottern Numbers Game started up here, I noticed that doubles were coming up a lot... like 4662. I was utterly convinced they were overrepresented. However, being cheap and sane, I decided to test the theory before spending $$. I collected ALL

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts? J. Forster wrote: Many years ago, when the State Lottern Numbers Game started up here, I noticed that doubles were coming up a lot... like 4662. I was utterly

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Bob Paddock
What he has discovered, with the aid of a spreadsheet, is that when the 6 winning numbers are announced, they usually sum to a number somewhere in the range 130 to 170. Very rarely is the sum very low or very high. Gail Howard has written books and 'wheels' on this system. --

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
There was an inequality in the Vietnam draft lottery. Your chance of being born on February 29, 1 in 1461. The chance of February 29 being chosen in the lottery, 1 in 366. Scott Newell wrote: At 03:56 PM 12/24/2009, J. Forster wrote: That reminds me...one of the footnotes in Wolfram's A

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
] On Behalf Of Mike Naruta AA8K Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:57 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts? There was an inequality in the Vietnam draft lottery. Your chance of being born on February 29, 1 in 1461

[time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Scott Burris
I saw this USB connected hourglass for producing random numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehourglass/ Anyone pursuing perfect randomness in the same way this group pursues time and frequency? Maybe cryptologists. I'm tempted to build an ethernet connected variant of this. Then of

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Don Latham
What fun! nice! Is the sandfall random or chaotic? Don Scott Burris I saw this USB connected hourglass for producing random numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehourglass/ Anyone pursuing perfect randomness in the same way this group pursues time and frequency? Maybe cryptologists. I'm

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Scott: You can use a noise diode followed by a bias removal circuit to get true random numbers in a much simpler way. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Scott Burris wrote: I saw this USB connected hourglass for producing random numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehourglass/

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Keith Payea
, 2009 8:42 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts? Hi Scott: You can use a noise diode followed by a bias removal circuit to get true random numbers in a much simpler way. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 82fec3b10cf94496afe52269282d7...@bryant1, Keith Payea writes: Hello All: There are several electrical noise based random number generators, but most were concieved in a time when there was a lot less EM pollution of the airwaves. Actually, that has always been a concern. As far as I

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts? I saw this USB connected hourglass for producing random numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehourglass/ Anyone pursuing perfect randomness in the same way this group pursues time and frequency? Maybe

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Bob Camp
] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:39 PM To: kpa...@bryantlabs.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts? In message 82fec3b10cf94496afe52269282d7...@bryant1, Keith Payea writes: Hello All

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 82fec3b10cf94496afe52269282d7...@bryant1, Keith Payea writes: Hello All: There are several electrical noise based random number generators, but most were concieved in a time when there was a lot less EM pollution of the airwaves. Actually, that has always

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 0f83896e292444afa019e8589f9c7...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: Hi If you do a Google for SIGTOT you head off to another bunch of people who hook RNG's up to various things. My *guess* is that they likely hooked one up to a computer back in the 1940's... Interestingly, this does not

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4b326600.9040...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: As far as I know, the first RNG to be connected to a computer was this one: The first analog random generator that was hooked to any form of digital circuit must be the random generator used to

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread David Forbes
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 4b326600.9040...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: As far as I know, the first RNG to be connected to a computer was this one: The first analog random generator that was hooked to any form of digital circuit must be

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Bill Hawkins
Went to a talk about Monte Carlo methods at MIT sometime before 1955. A rack full of equipment and a scintillation counter (maybe two) generated the randomness. Have three big scintillation counters available cheap, if you like vacuum tubes. Picked up a Grason Stadler noise generator some time

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The last time I checked in any depth the schematics for the SIGTOT master tape generator were missing. The best speculation I have seen is that it was indeed an analog (electron multiplier photodiode) based setup. Of course that's not provable any more ... It is indeed a leap from that

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Brian Kirby
I read an article one time about using a solar cell to generate random noise. Scott Burris wrote: I saw this USB connected hourglass for producing random numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehourglass/ Anyone pursuing perfect randomness in the same way this group pursues time and frequency?

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Robert Atkinson
 tens of counts per second. I'm also a radiation nut see  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/GeigerCounterEnthusiasts/   Robert G8RPI. --- On Thu, 24/12/09, Brian Kirby kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brian Kirby kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts