Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-29 Thread Neville Michie
It should not be difficult to measure the temperature of the co-ax, if it uses copper, copper has a very high tempco, about the same as platinum. So you could set up an experiment where you compare phase in the two legs then compare resistance of the two legs. Strain in the legs might be an

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I wonder if the effects caused by a different distance from the Sun between > day and night, > and hence a different gravity field were taken into consideration. > After all, a greater gravity field causes time to flow slower with respect to > absence of gravity. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Albert

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 8/27/2013 5:25 PM, Steven Kluck wrote: /If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland de Witte's experiment. Simple and fascinating! Position one clock about 1500 meters to the east of the other, set up a long (temperature controlled) coax cable betwee

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <521e52cc.40...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >> Wouldn't you expect them to have noticed if a Nobel-prize were in reach ? >> >Note, they already have a track-record for Nobel prizes as it is. Like >last year for instance. That's why I wouldn't expect them to miss anot

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/28/2013 12:23 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <1629133352.2066701377684015960.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>, > "iov...@inwind.it" writes: > >> I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year. > Please consider: > > 1. Nailing relativity is the biggest scalp you c

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/28/13 9:00 AM, Steven Kluck wrote: It might appear that the Torr-Kolen Experiment, which had similar results to de Witte, had similar temperature compensation and control problems. I think it would be interesting to run for a year with an east-west coax run, and a separate north-south coa

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Steven Kluck
It might appear that the Torr-Kolen Experiment, which had similar results to de Witte, had similar temperature compensation and control problems.  I think it would be interesting to run for a year with an east-west coax run, and a separate north-south coax.  And just for fun, record temperature

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread mc235960
Le 28 août 2013 à 12:23, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : > In message <1629133352.2066701377684015960.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>, > "iov...@inwind.it" writes: > >> I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year. > > Please consider: > > 1. Nailing relativity is the biggest

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
w) with half-year ramps (which >>he mis-interpreted) you get a solar-sidereal effect that looks extra- >>terrestrial. Roland was a little too eager to prove aether exists and > textbooks >>were wrong. Unfortunately he died shortly before I could email him about his >>method

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <1629133352.2066701377684015960.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>, "iov...@inwind.it" writes: >I would add that one could run the experiment over a full year. Please consider: 1. Nailing relativity is the biggest scalp you can aim for in physics. 2. NIST and timing.com showed sub-pi

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread iov...@inwind.it
fore I could email him about his >methods and raw data. That was, what, 15 years ago. >> >>/tvb >>www.LeapSecond.com >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Steven Kluck" >>To: "Discussion precise time and frequency measurement&qu

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-28 Thread iov...@inwind.it
nd frequency measurement" >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM >Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment > > >I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. > >If >

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/27/2013 07:39 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Hi Steven, > > You can contact me off-line about this if you want more information. > > Being someone with plenty of cesium clocks I looked into his claims in the > late 90's. His cables and electronics were not at all temperature > compensated. It's

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread mc235960
Le 27 août 2013 à 20:27, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : > In message > , "Dr. > David Kirkby" writes: > >> Maybe if the cables were burried sufficiently deep, there would be no >> short term changes of temperature, since the temperature underground >> is more contant than on the surface of the ea

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Don Latham
al Message - > From: "Steven Kluck" > To: "Discussion precise time and frequency measurement" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM > Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment > > > I am new to this group, and my main interest is t

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Dr. David Kirkby" writes: >Maybe if the cables were burried sufficiently deep, there would be no >short term changes of temperature, since the temperature underground >is more contant than on the surface of the earth. If there is such an effect, why wouldn't it be trivial to measu

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 27 August 2013 16:25, Steven Kluck wrote: > I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal > reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. > > If > I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to > try Roland de Witte's expe

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
ot;Steven Kluck" To: "Discussion precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is

[time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Steven Kluck
I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland de Witte's experiment.  Simple and fascinating!  Position one clock ab