Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Chris Howard
You all were right, my targeting of the 50 ohm resistor across the oscillator output does not seem to have solved the problem. A good thing to do, probably, but not the answer. While I was all excited about the resistor change I also mapped out the control voltage (EFC) vs frequency change. I w

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread WarrenS
To: "WarrenS" Cc: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments) You all were right, my targeting of the 50 ohm resistor across the o

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
< 0.1 Hz. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howard Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:57 PM To: WarrenS Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 108

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Graham / KE9H
Chris: This says your EFC circuit is not working, and you are only getting 0.05 Hz frequency change across the -5 to +5 EFC range. The spec on the HP10811 is 1.0 Hz minimum. And, yes, in a counter the EFC circuit is not used, so no one would know if it failed. It is very simple circuit. The o

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: If I read this correctly, I'm looking at 9,999,999.97 Hz ? Correct -- the small digit to the right is the exponent. As others have mentioned, by holding the UP arrow key in for about 3 seconds, the 1992 will switch to a 10-second gate and give you one more digit of resolution

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Chris Howard
On 11/15/2012 3:49 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: .90 VDC 9,999,999.90 > > How and where are you measuring the EFC voltage? Are you sure the voltage on the EFC pin of the 10811 (Pin 6) was the same as you measured? Was the EFC return pin (Pin 5) connected to the oscillator supply retur

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think I'd try grounding pins 4 and 5…. Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Chris Howard wrote: > On 11/15/2012 3:49 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: > .90 VDC 9,999,999.90 >> >> How and where are you measuring the EFC voltage? Are you sure the > voltage on the EFC pin of the 1081

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: According to the documentation I have, pins 2, 4, and 5 are all tied together internally I think you may be correct. My recollection was that it needed to be done at the connector, but I may be mis-remembering. Worth a check, though. If you have Pin 6 ranging from + 5 V to -

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-16 Thread Neville Michie
I have had two 10811 with EFC problems that turned out to be lack of soldering of one internal joint. This is a large PTFE ferule with several leads including the varactor and trimmer going into it. For many years the leads all contacted but finally one lead developed an oxide film. A soldering

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-16 Thread Chris Howard
Maybe that is my problem. I definitely have a problem. I am able to get the EFC to work on some occasions. Usually it will work if I run the trimmer all the way out and toggle the power. I can then adjust the trimmer and get things working. But if I give the box a rap the frequency jumps and I

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-16 Thread Neville Michie
I have found a pic of the dry joint, this one was just a dry joint with resin insulating the connection, the other never had any solder applied. cheers, Neville Michie On 17/11/2012, at 11:09 AM, Chris Howard wrote: > > Maybe that is my problem. I definitely have a problem. > > I am able

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (trying to read my instruments)

2012-11-17 Thread Chris Howard
The picture, if attached, did not come through. Probably it was stripped off by the mailing list software. I did located what I believe you were speaking of. A small white donut placed in the circuit board which was an attachment point for the trimmer and a smaller fixed capacitor and the "blue"