Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 2014-02-19 22:34, Said Jackson wrote: Sorry early morning rant, There are counters out there already that can do 14/15 digits: tsc5125A and the Miles box for example. Very difficult to get a reference into that counter that can match and provide that type of stability. I am sure Agilent wo

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Said Jackson
ould welcome your thoughts on the 53230A. > Thanks;l > Thomas Knox > > > >> CC: time-nuts@febo.com >> From: saidj...@aol.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:25:28 -0800 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the li

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Tom Knox
nternal timebase is selected. > > It couldn't be that they might lose the chance to sell a signal generator > > ;-), as calibration needs a square wave input, and the Ext. Ref In is > > ignored. > > > >> > >>> From: li...@rtty.us > >>> Date: Tue, 1

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread mike cook
. >> It couldn't be that they might lose the chance to sell a signal generator >> ;-), as calibration needs a square wave input, and the Ext. Ref In is >> ignored. >> >>> >>>> From: li...@rtty.us >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:00:17 -0

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread Said Jackson
was intentionally vague but said the oscillators were >>>>> indeed switched out of circuit on the counter with Ext Ref signal >>>>> applied. These questions were related to several 53132A's I have seen >>>>> configured with a small board back n

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-19 Thread mike cook
om: li...@rtty.us >> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:00:17 -0500 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, >> but nobody in? >> >> Hi >> >> Well at least this got me digging a little. >&g

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-18 Thread Tom Knox
them if I could enlist your help in addressing potential changes to improve the product. Thanks; Thomas Knox > From: li...@rtty.us > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:00:17 -0500 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, >

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-18 Thread Bob Camp
is why sell an option and >> be unwilling to say what it does or how your stock unit functions? >> Thomas Knox >> >> >> >>> From: t...@leapsecond.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:38:28 -1000 >>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>> Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-18 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
> > > >> From: t...@leapsecond.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:38:28 -1000 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, >> but nobody in? >> >> Bob, >> >> I'm wonderin

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-18 Thread Tom Knox
hy sell an option and be unwilling to say what it does or how your stock unit functions? Thomas Knox > From: t...@leapsecond.com > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:38:28 -1000 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, >

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I have a 53230, but have not gotten around to looking at it’s PLL cleanup process. Bob On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Tom Van Baak (lab) wrote: > Bob, > > I'm wondering if you (or any else) has measured the PLL performance of the > 53230-series? > > I agree it will "clean up the crud" but

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Bob, I'm wondering if you (or any else) has measured the PLL performance of the 53230-series? I agree it will "clean up the crud" but this assumes the ext ref is dirtier than the internal osc. What I found instead was that if you use a good external ref the PLL actually makes it worse. This w

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you dig into the schematics (when they supplied them … ): The external reference goes into a phase detector. It’s one of those digital ones that can lock up to many inputs. You could feed 3. MHz in as a standard input as well as 0.5, 1, 2.5, 5, and 10 MHz. The internal oscillator

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread wb6bnq
Hi Mike, The most likely answer is when you select external time base for an input, it disables the connection for the internal oscillator. The external input signal is probably also routed straight to the reference output jack. However, it would be good to read the manual, as they usually

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , mike cook writes: >So at that point I decided to measure the Internal TB against my >reference. So I connected the Int. Ref. Out to channel 1, connected >my PRS10 ref to Ext. Ref In, selected the EXT time base and found >that the count was 10MHz dead on? I don't get that at all.

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It locks up the internal reference to the external reference when the external reference is present. It’s the same behavior as the 5334,5335,5345,5360,5370,5318x,and 5313x. Bob On Feb 17, 2014, at 8:31 AM, mike cook wrote: > > Le 17 févr. 2014 à 13:49, gandal...@aol.com a écrit : > >>

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread mike cook
Le 17 févr. 2014 à 13:49, gandal...@aol.com a écrit : > Hi Michael > > "Internal reference out" is likely to be of the actual reference in use, ie > with an external reference connected that's what will be on the output > connector and would explain what you're seeing. > > Your initial test

Re: [time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread David C. Partridge
Did you disconnect the external reference from the 53230A before doing the test? If no, I'll bet that the external reference being connected overrides the internal reference Regards, David Partridge ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

[time-nuts] strange behavior of 53230A or is the light on, but nobody in?

2014-02-17 Thread mike cook
Something that must be simple to explain, but that I can't get my head round. I got a new 53230A. When first using it, I measured my T-Bolt 10MHz using the internal 10MHz timebase and it came up short of 10MHz, 9.999 998 5xx. I wasn't worried about it as the counter only has a TCXO internal osci