[time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone yesterday for your wwvb comment. I now know why the wwvb signal droped to -120db. Seems that over 4 years water slowly built up in the preamp housing. Water and rust do make fine conductors. May have effected bias just a bit and everything else. Washed it all out and will let it dry

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul. On 05/14/2012 07:20 PM, paul swed wrote: Thanks everyone yesterday for your wwvb comment. I now know why the wwvb signal droped to -120db. Seems that over 4 years water slowly built up in the preamp housing. Water and rust do make fine conductors. I had the same problem with a GPS antenn

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Magnus Yes indeed will be working tonight. At least the preamp.Need to figure out what was leaking yet. A bit messy but no real damage and it uses nothing but simple parts. It also allowed water into the coax so will need to chop 3ft off and put a new connector on. Minor stuff. Regards Paul. On Mo

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul, On 05/14/2012 09:46 PM, paul swed wrote: Magnus Yes indeed will be working tonight. At least the preamp.Need to figure out what was leaking yet. A bit messy but no real damage and it uses nothing but simple parts. Good to hear. It also allowed water into the coax so will need to chop 3

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: > I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the > manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any > water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna. How does water get in? I'm not doubting

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal, On 05/14/2012 09:54 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Jim Hickstein
> How does water get in? Is this a Spectracom 8206? Should I worry about mine (that one that's outdoors)? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the in

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Magnus is right lots of ways for water to sneak in. So I have not had time to figure it out yet. But it is a copper loop and I suspect the place its joining the preamp box let water in over time. The fact is even a small pin hole that allows air in and out thats humid can allow water buildup. But t

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/14/2012 11:04 PM, paul swed wrote: Magnus is right lots of ways for water to sneak in. So I have not had time to figure it out yet. But it is a copper loop and I suspect the place its joining the preamp box let water in over time. The fact is even a small pin hole that allows air in and out

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 05/14/2012 05:04:13 PM: > From: paul swed > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement n...@febo.com> > Date: 05/14/2012 05:04 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially > when the pre-amps under wate

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
Am 14.05.2012 21:54, schrieb Hal Murray: > mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: >> I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the >> manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any >> water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 14 May 2012 18:01:01 -0400 Joseph M Gwinn wrote: > Modern outdoor enclosures use a filter of some kind, but the underlying > principle is the same. I don't know what other types are around, but we use vents with a gore-tex foil over them. Keeps water out but lets the case breath. This pr

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread George Dubovsky
All, W.L.Gore and Associates makes a whole line of these things, but I'm not sure where you go to buy just one. http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/venting/protective/index.html?xcmp=ijdgpvmktgurl 73, geo - n4ua On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > On Mon, 14 May 2012 18:

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread paul swed
Pretty neat snap in vents and all. Not sure how you buy a few either On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM, George Dubovsky wrote: > All, > > W.L.Gore and Associates makes a whole line of these things, but I'm not > sure where you go to buy just one. > > > http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/venting/pr

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Joe Gwinn
At 10:49 AM + 5/15/12, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:59:04 +0200 From: Attila Kinali To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water. Message-ID

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 15 May 2012 08:35:20 -0400 Joe Gwinn wrote: > Gore-tex blocks liquid water (and dust), but allows water vapor to > pass, so one can still get pumping and the accumulation of condensed > water. Where are your enclosures used, and how exposed are they? The most exponsed ones... in 3000m

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Bob Camp
.@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joe Gwinn Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:35 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water. At 10:49 AM + 5/15/12, time-nuts-requ..

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread John Lofgren
ovsky Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:03 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water. All, W.L.Gore and Associates makes a whole line of these things, but I'm not sure where you go to buy