Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for time source concerns

2019-12-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Filtering *is* part of all this. If you are distributing a standard around the lab, cable management *will* be part of it as well. Having a volt p-p pop up due to an unterminated cable (of the right length) is not at all unheard of. Bob > On Dec 24, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Taka Kamiya via time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Microstepper

2019-12-24 Thread Dana Whitlow
Magnus, Why not just clock a good DDS (AD9854) with the reference frequency, and run its I & Q outputs into the motor via suitable LP filters and some power gain? You might need to periodically alternate between two different output frequencies to get the desired rotation speed (as with a fraction

Re: [time-nuts] Microstepper

2019-12-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
Something like this? (see image) On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:02 AM Magnus Danielson wrote: > > Hi, > > I realize that I lack a microstepper. Consider that I have a stable and > low-noise 5 or 10 MHz but I want to resynthesize to correct frequency > and do phase-steps, and doing so without too much

[time-nuts] Microstepper

2019-12-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, I realize that I lack a microstepper. Consider that I have a stable and low-noise 5 or 10 MHz but I want to resynthesize to correct frequency and do phase-steps, and doing so without too much loss of noise. This has traditionally been done using a variation of techniques, but if we would use

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz, distribution amplifier.

2019-12-24 Thread Didier Juges
I do not see any transformer in the outputs. Common mode noise is never your friend in any kind of distribution amplifier. That would be my biggest complaint. Otherwise it looks each output has its own filter but there are two outputs per amplifier, so isolation may not be great between shared outp

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for time source concerns

2019-12-24 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I just found something funny.  I have been thinking "clean" power supplies that connects to AC mains.  Then I thought, what about lead acid batteries??  So I went to my lab and took some measurement.  This is a 12V 7A lead acid sealed battery, the kind commonly found on UPS devices. The result? 

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz, distribution amplifier.

2019-12-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Well, given the 10:1 price difference, I’d say it’s safe to guess the 58502A is a bit better piece of gear. The BG7TL is quite adequate for normal 10 MHz distribution around the lab / shack. None of these gizmos (including the 58502) are “good enough” if you plan on direct multiplication t

[time-nuts] 10MHz, distribution amplifier.

2019-12-24 Thread xaos
Hello everyone and sorry if this has been asked before. Has anyone tested one of these units ? https://www.ebay.com/itm/10MHz-Distribution-amplifier-frequency-divider-clock-divider-8-port-output/182638021799?hash=item2a86130ca7:g:nIUAAOSwyWZZUL1K The price is right. But how does it compare with

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for time source concerns

2019-12-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > >> That again depends on topology and control type. The canned converters >> are almost always optimized to have the lowest number of switches and >> work with cheap magnetics (single coil) without easily entering >>

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for time source concerns

2019-12-24 Thread Dana Whitlow
I, too, am baffled by why some Rb standards use separate pins for oven power and electronics package power, especially since they don't seem to use separate return pins as well. At Arecibo we had a utility PRS-10 mounted in a box with fan along with 1 each switching supply (for the oven) and linea

Re: [time-nuts] Using HP5071A with dead tube along with GPS

2019-12-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Since the devices may sit for a *long* time on the shelf, humidity can soak into parts. Adsorption / desorption rates normally are very different so a brief soak in may mean a *long* soak out. Bob > On Dec 23, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > kb...@n1k.org said: >> Like all “nor

[time-nuts] Construction and shielding information

2019-12-24 Thread John Moran, Scawby Design
Gerard Thanks for the cornucopia of information, much appreciated. Cheers - John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions t

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for time source concerns

2019-12-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
>That again depends on topology and control type. The canned converters >are almost always optimized to have the lowest number of switches and >work with cheap magnetics (single coil) without easily entering >problematic operation modes, noise is only a secondary concern. That depen

Re: [time-nuts] Power supply for time source concerns

2019-12-24 Thread Achim Gratz
Am 23.12.2019 um 16:03 schrieb jimlux: It is tough to build a "small" input filter that has good rejection at low frequencies (<100kHz?) Yes if you want a passive filter, but you can view an LDO as an active low-pass in some sense. Again you need to take care that noise cannot bypass it, but