Re: [time-nuts] Connector options for HP10811A?

2020-04-10 Thread Robert DiRosario
Have you used the Mouser part you listed? When you look at the spec sheet it only shows 8 of the 15 pins installed in the connector. https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/123/307-030-520-201_-_EDAC_Card_Edge_Connector-1653445.pdf I have used this, and it show all the pins installed: https://www

Re: [time-nuts] Connector options for HP10811A?

2020-04-10 Thread Robert DiRosario
I just ordered some from Mouser in November, this is it: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/587-305-50-030 They list 41 in stock, for 1 to 9 the price is $8.43 Robert On 04/08/2020 09:39 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote: I recently bought an HP10811A oscillator on eBay, only belatedly realizing t

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO and fluctuations after EFC adjustment

2020-04-10 Thread jimlux
On 4/10/20 2:31 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: At this time, I will give my usual speech about IMHO the fact that since the invention of the DDS on a chip, EFC should no longer be used for high performance oscillators. Rick N6RK Yes.. The only case I can think of is where the osc

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Chris Caudle
On Thu, April 9, 2020 11:20 pm, Hal Murray wrote: > Suppose I measure the edge to edge times and make a histogram. How precisely can you measure the period. You would be using the rising edge as start time and stop time, with no dead time, i.e. measure the time of every period? > Can I get jitte

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO and fluctuations after EFC adjustment

2020-04-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/10/2020 12:51 PM, ed breya wrote: looking for. Also, moving the frequency far away from "ideal" changes the tempco, since it's no longer at the ideal center of the turnover point. In reality, this may not matter much, since after all these years, things may have drifted and aged way ou

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO and fluctuations after EFC adjustment

2020-04-10 Thread ed breya
This sort of behavior shouldn't be surprising at all. When you change the EFC (especially by a fairly large amount to move it a few Hz), you change the (transient and steady-state) operating points of the circuitry, so it has to drift gradually to stabilize at the new conditions. The effects ma

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO and fluctuations after EFC adjustment

2020-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi EFC changes by themselves are pretty much instantaneous. If you are seeing post tune drift, it likely is from the pot or from things like a temperature change (or draft) when you go near the part. If your grounds are a bit intertwined, the change in oven current will give you a delta voltage

[time-nuts] OCXO and fluctuations after EFC adjustment

2020-04-10 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I have a few HP10811 and was thinking of making an interesting setup:  A setup where frequency is purposely offset by user defined amount by few Hz, and make it selectable. Under normal setup, I would use a potentiometer and EFC control the frequency.  When I adjust EFC, the frequency immediate

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Back quite a while ago, I went back and visited my buddies / ex-coworkers at Motorola Franklin Park ( = the Motorola crystal / oscillator group). Based on my past experience with the yields on a “quartz bar to oscillator” fab process, I asked: How do you build a “6 sigma” oscill

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/10/2020 5:47 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi It is not at all uncommon to …. errr …. make that decision, regardless of what the customer might think about it :) Even with that sort of decision, the whole process of measuring a one sigma and multiplying by 6 depends very much on the underlying pr

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi It is not at all uncommon to …. errr …. make that decision, regardless of what the customer might think about it :) Even with that sort of decision, the whole process of measuring a one sigma and multiplying by 6 depends very much on the underlying processes (noise or maybe something else ….)

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Dana Whitlow
I once got into that "p-p" business and it was like pulling teeth to get the customer even semi-reasonable. He finally agreed to stipulate that the p-p value could be construed as 6 X the rms value. Dana On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:57 AM Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > Which of the multitude of defin

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Which of the multitude of definitions are we talking about? One very common definition looks at peak to peak jitter and does not care about the center. Another looks at +/- peak to edge and then uses the greater of the two numbers. Other definitions look at RMS jitter and generally don’t car

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread David C. Partridge
IIRC the latter -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Dana Whitlow Sent: 10 April 2020 11:06 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II Question about definition of jitter:

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-10 Thread Dana Whitlow
Question about definition of jitter: Is it the variation in pulse-to-pulse spacing, or is it the variation in pulse positions with respect to a jitter-free waveform? Dana On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Hal Murray wrote: > > rich...@karlquist.com said: > > There is always an implied clock re