Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread David I. Emery
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:27:33PM -0400, paul swed wrote: > Just saying they work for all those atomic clocks for $10. Those don't give a damn about 60 KHz delay/phase provided it doesn't change very fast (as it wouldn't due to thermal effects). But monitoring frequency or

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread paul swed
How do the small AM WWVB clocks work then. They use the 60 KHz crystal and they don't actually do anything special. In measuring those clocks they are about 2-6 hz wide. On the spectracoms the crystal is huge. Looks like a HC6 but 3" long. About 1-2 Hz wide. Using the same small crystals in BPF

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread John Magliacane via time-nuts
I'm seeing more than 100mV p-p right now (7:09 PM) (2309 UTC) on the output of my preamp from the east coast of New Jersey, 1622 miles east of WWVB. During my early days of WWVB experimenting, I found the signal is easier to spot (since it's buried in noise) if the scope's horizontal sweep is

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread John Magliacane via time-nuts
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 07:14:12 PM EDT, Bob kb8tq wrote: > The problem with the crystal is that it has a temperature coefficient. As a > narrow band filter, it will have a *lot* of delay. Crystal resonance moves > (with temperature) and the delay changes. I agree. The crystal needs to be

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The problem with the crystal is that it has a temperature coefficient. As a narrow band filter, it will have a *lot* of delay. Crystal resonance moves (with temperature) and the delay changes. How much delay depends a lot on a bunch of fiddly details. A 10 to 100 Hz wide bandpass could

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread paul swed
Should add that on the East Coast the signal is about 10 uv. On the large 10' X 10' loop I get about 63 uv during the day. That loop at night can easily hit 1000 uv. Regards Paul On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 3:37 PM paul swed wrote: > Mark > His antenna hit a preamp as I recall about 20 db of gain.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread paul swed
Mark His antenna hit a preamp as I recall about 20 db of gain. To see something on a scope add 40 more db approx. Unfortunately a purely broadband solution will show 40 db of pure garbage these days. Using the 60 KHz watch crystals $2.00 for 20 out of China you can most likely find a reasonable

Re: [time-nuts] another source of time...

2020-08-11 Thread Paul Boven
Hi everyone, On 8/6/20 5:55 AM, jimlux wrote: On 8/5/20 4:18 PM, Mark Haun wrote: I wonder if someone maintains a directory of ionosondes.  Seems like waste/duplication to have every interested party set up their own, instead of piggy-backing on what's already out there.  There's also the

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread Mark Haun
Hi Detlef, On 11-Aug-20 3:46 AM, Detlef Schuecker via time-nuts wrote: > you do not necessarily need a variable ( physical ) oscillator. You mix > the signal down in the digital domain. A 'digital local oscilator' is a > mere complex value, which is rotated and the power is adjusted: My

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread Detlef Schuecker via time-nuts
Hi, you do not necessarily need a variable ( physical ) oscillator. You mix the signal down in the digital domain. A 'digital local oscilator' is a mere complex value, which is rotated and the power is adjusted: #define CMUL(_a,_b,_c) \ { _c.re = _a.re*_b.re-_a.im*_b.im; \ _c.im =

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Ray, I don't see a crystal filter. There is a 16 MHz crystal, but that's for the processor. "Inside the La Crosse 1235UA UltrAtomic Radio Controlled WWVB (Atomic) Wall Clock" http://leapsecond.com/pages/ultratomic/ "ES100 datasheet, including block diagram, application circuit, and theory"

[time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion

2020-08-11 Thread rcbuck
Does the La Crosse UltrAtomic clock actually use a crystal filter or do they digitally filter the signal? Has anyone ever looked inside of one of the clocks? Just curious. Ray AB7HE Original Message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB SDR discussion From: Mark Haun Date: Mon, August