[time-nuts] Spectrum Software Micro-Cap downloads

2020-09-11 Thread Bob Darby
This not a plug for a product; Spectrum is out of business as of 7/4/2019 and allows free downloads of their various product releases that may be of interest to some on the list. >From their brochure: Micro-Cap 12 is an integrated schematic editor and mixed >analog / digital simulator that

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Paul, I'll open the Omega Quartz Chronometer and trace the circuit if you're curious. Many of these 70's stepper / analog clocks used Patek Philippe movements, the classic one you see in vintage Austron, Tracor, Sulzer, and, of course, hp time / frequency standards with the /001 clock option

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If it was a custom chip, then the motor driver “stuff” would be integrated into the IC. That was indeed the case back in the 1970’s when I was designing this sort of thing. Those chips were pretty hard to dig up, even back then. Unless you wanted to buy >10K pcs a month, they really didn’t

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Dana Whitlow
It may be that he's looking for info on how to drive the stepper motor(s), such as pulse sequences etc. Dana On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Graham / KE9H wrote: > 2^22 = 4,194,304 > So divide by two, 22 times in a row to get to 1 Hz. > --- Graham > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:42 PM Bill S

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread paul swed
I went looking for the clock and found nothing. But like the rest discovered the divider ratio to 1Hz. But does the conversation stop at that point? Since Bill said the motor was 4 pole wouldn't there be 1 more divider to .5 Hz with the Q and /Q essentially across the coil. Add protection diodes

Re: [time-nuts] Some FTS1000 questions

2020-09-11 Thread xaos
Sorry OM. I just created a one off. If I get another 4-5 people, I'll make a small batch of boards. George On 9/11/2020 10:42, Lester Veenstra via time-nuts wrote: Boards? Lester B Veenstra  K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y les...@veenstras.com 452 Stable Ln (HC84 RFD USPS Mail) Keyser WV 26726

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Graham / KE9H
2^22 = 4,194,304 So divide by two, 22 times in a row to get to 1 Hz. --- Graham On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:42 PM Bill S wrote: > A friend has acquired a Chelsea Clock Company Chronoquartz which was > probably made in the 70's. He has measured the oscillator frequency at > approximately

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread djl
Isn't the 4 MHz crystal near the sweet spot for one of the cuts? A dim memory at best :-) DJ On 2020-09-11 11:57, Tom Van Baak wrote: Bill, 4194304 Hz = 2^22 Hz so 22 flip-flops gets you down to 1 Hz. The binary divider is s similar to how the Seiko Beta 21 was designed. See [1] for an

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
That was the same frequency Chrysler used in their early (70s) quartz car "chronometers". The 1981 Chrysler Imperial electronic dashboard used that frequency as well. Bob L. > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:30 PM > From: "Bill S" > To: "time-nuts@lists.febo.com" > Subject: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread djl
HINT: 2^22 = 4194304 On 2020-09-11 11:30, Bill S wrote: A friend has acquired a Chelsea Clock Company Chronoquartz which was probably made in the 70's. He has measured the oscillator frequency at approximately 4.194304 MHz. He wanted to know what arrangement of dividers they used to run the 4

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Bill, 4194304 Hz = 2^22 Hz so 22 flip-flops gets you down to 1 Hz. The binary divider is s similar to how the Seiko Beta 21 was designed. See [1] for an example of a clock that uses this frequency. What's nice about the Omega Ships Chronometer shown there is that it has a LEMO 1PPS output

Re: [time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Well …. 4.19304 = 2^22 I’d bet they used a bunch of divide by 2 ( or 2^N ) parts. :) At some point they went from electronic division to driving gears. Is that what he’s looking for? or is he after the brand / model of divider chip? It’s quite possible that they used a custom part, even

[time-nuts] Chelsea Chronoquartz dividers

2020-09-11 Thread Bill S
A friend has acquired a Chelsea Clock Company Chronoquartz which was probably made in the 70's. He has measured the oscillator frequency at approximately 4.194304 MHz. He wanted to know what arrangement of dividers they used to run the 4 pole stepper motor to step seconds. Anybody know?

Re: [time-nuts] Some FTS1000 questions

2020-09-11 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt E failing

2020-09-11 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Freitag, 11. September 2020 01:08:09 CEST Kevin Schuchmann wrote: > Guess my image didn't make it, I will add it as an attachment this time. The temperature curve seems to show some correlation to what is happening with the DAC. Seems that the DAC and OSC jumps are mostly during periods of

Re: [time-nuts] Some FTS1000 questions

2020-09-11 Thread Tobias Pluess
Thanks to Bruce and George. The NIST doubler is indeed what I planned to use, or a Minicircuits AK-2. What voltage do you guys measure on the oven monitor output? I am not sure whether this is really 10mV/K. Mine outputs some 4 volts, that would mean oven is >100°C which I don't believe. BR