[time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 new thread clean up.

2021-02-13 Thread paul swed
Exciting. After opening the outer oven cylinder someone was in that section before as the shock compound has been removed. And the failure appears to be the inner oven heater is open. A better description of the unit. The FE-15a oscillator assembly is about 6" nd 3 sections. Outer tuning caps and

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 199, Issue 19

2021-02-13 Thread Martin VE3OAT
Bryan wrote : Shipping costs from Canada is horrendous, possibly what you ordered crossed the package/weight criteria for the cheaper shipping option The reverse (postage U.S. to Canada) is also true and has been for several years. For example, last week I ordered two log books from

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting widget for 5MHz standard fans

2021-02-13 Thread ed breya
Walter, for you Rb box, look for info on the common Efratom standards of that vintage, and see if any look like what you have inside the plug-in. I remember the FRK and M-100 (a variation of which I have). These are the ones in about a 4 inch cube format. They may not exactly match yours, but

[time-nuts] Interesting widget for 5MHz standard fans

2021-02-13 Thread Walter Shawlee 2
I found this assembly while digging through workshop goodies to post up to the Stuff Season page, a *Frequency and Time Systems p/n 1696*. It is the accessory portion of a 5Mhz standard. It has a true doubler/filter to create 10Mhz, plus a 10MHz TTL output, and a secondary 1MHz output. It's

Re: [time-nuts] Better than average Rb oscillator

2021-02-13 Thread Angus via time-nuts
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 11:22:37 +0100, you wrote: >So, this raises the question: why is your LPRO so much better? >I mean, going straight down to 1e-14 is on par with the best >research Rb standards I am aware of. > > Attila Kinali It's not too different from what I got

Re: [time-nuts] The need for quartz crystals and mains frequency

2021-02-13 Thread Jeremy Nichols
Interesting comment about non-self-starting clocks. I have an old “FDR” clock with a synchronous motor; it has to be started by spinning a knob on the back. The case has molded into it the words, “F.D.R., The Man of the Hour.” I suppose it dates from just after 1933 when Roosevelt became

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation 68-95-99 rule

2021-02-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Simon, Yeah, I remember those days too. I learned this from the NBS/NIST line of educational papers. The NIST TN 1337 is recommended reading. The Bill Riley handbook is for sure a good read, even if it may not dwell very in deeply into why things are the way they are. A main issue I failed to

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Atomic Clock Receiver Modules

2021-02-13 Thread Bryan _
Shipping costs from Canada is horrendous, possibly what you ordered crossed the package/weight criteria for the cheaper shipping option -=Bryan=- From: time-nuts on behalf of rcb...@atcelectronics.com Sent: February 13, 2021 11:58 AM To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] The need for quartz crystals and mains frequency (was: Mains Frequency)

2021-02-13 Thread ed breya
Hi Hal, I have one of these big (maybe 14" dia) old office clocks, still working, hanging on the garage wall at the farm, next to a modern WWVB clock. I don't worry about what time it says, but I sometimes look to estimate total power outage time (can be quite a lot up there) since the last

Re: [time-nuts] The need for quartz crystals and mains frequency

2021-02-13 Thread Thomas D. Erb
My firm has electrictime.com - sold power station master clock as part of Telechron - now we just make big tower and street clocks. We have a bunch of master clocks in our museum - two in our on-line exhibit - I'm hoping to get a small article in IEEE Spectrum. One master clock was made in an

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Atomic Clock Receiver Modules

2021-02-13 Thread rcbuck
They reduced the price by 20% but they want $19.40 for shipping. I decided I didn't need the development kit. I ordered one of the AM WWVB kits back in early Nov and the shipping charge was only $4.50. Original Message Subject: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK Atomic Clock Receiver

Re: [time-nuts] Mains Frequency

2021-02-13 Thread Andy Talbot
The mains timing error was still running ~50 seconds fast at midnight yesterday, and this morning was still at +40 or so seconds. But over Saturday the frequency has dropped lower than I've seen it go for several days, at one point it must have dropped to 48.8Hz, below scale on my display and

Re: [time-nuts] The need for , > quartz crystals and mains frequency (was: Mains Frequency)

2021-02-13 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi, For some appliances however, I question if a clock display is really needed. A toaster certainly wouldn't need anything more than an RC. A couple of percent error on how long I warm up lunch probably won't matter! However, some appliances and consumer grade equipment do utilize RC

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 FE-15a oscillator question

2021-02-13 Thread paul swed
Several answers. At temperature it can be adjusted to 5,000,000.0XX XX using just the coarse adjustment. The Xs are because it has not really been on long enough to seriously stabilize. Its been off/cold for easily bet 20-30 years. The urq family of references were intended for shipboard use

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation 68-95-99 rule

2021-02-13 Thread Simon Lewis
Thank you Magnus, that was very helpful. I'm busy running through Bill Riley's handbook, and trying to get a grip on this. I'm not a stats expert at all, so the cogs are slowly turning! Cheers, Simon On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 5:33 PM Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-02-12 12:25, Simon

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 FE-15a oscillator question

2021-02-13 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Hi, all of y'all, would you please snip the cited parts that are long out of context?!!one!eleven!! I wonder how that reads on a cell phone. cheers, Gerhard ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 FE-15a oscillator question

2021-02-13 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi What frequency is it putting out? Bob > On Feb 12, 2021, at 9:45 PM, paul swed wrote: > > I see a glass tape on the inner oven with writing "40.0". Thats it. > Assuming C its a long way off.The flask is fine the ovens are heating to > 110F. Both of them. So somethings wrong. Interesting as

Re: [time-nuts] The need for quartz crystals and mains frequency (was: Mains Frequency)

2021-02-13 Thread Dave ZL3FJ
That 'flag' feature can be found on the very early (1930s) Telechron digital display clock, the model 8B01, as a separator between the hours and minutes digits. A lever on the back panel allowed the user to reset the flag from red to white when power was applied. Loss of AC power meant the

Re: [time-nuts] The need for quartz crystals and mains frequency (was: Mains Frequency)

2021-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
att...@kinali.ch said: > And, please do not forget that modern mains frequency control is something > quite recent as well. Especially outside (west) Europe. Having mains > frequency powered clocks being off several minutes per month was the norm > 50-70 years ago. I have a (fuzzy) data point

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-13 FE-15a oscillator question

2021-02-13 Thread ed breya
Well, 40 C is fairly close to 110 F. Maybe this is a special model intended only for indoor, controlled room conditions - or outdoor, cold climate only. Why? I dunno, but I can guess. Having both heaters set to the same temperature makes sense, so the open end being the same as inside would