Re: [time-nuts] measuring currents on USB powered devices

2019-12-04 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Bill, I have elected to do just that.  I ordered a few USB female connectors with tiny pcb and a male-to-male cable.  I will put a milliammeter in the dc line.  My total cost around two dollars and I use my own test equipment. Bob On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 05:01:20 PM PST, WB6BNQ wro

Re: [time-nuts] measuring currents on USB powered devices

2019-12-21 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I am going the DIY route on this one.  I ordered the hardware and will build a little tester.  No fancy readout or otthr circuitry, just a way to access the 5V for voltage and current readings.  My total cost should be a couple of bucks.  I did look for the price on those units you show but did

Re: [time-nuts] What do people use for measuring temperature?

2020-09-25 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
It would appear that the HP 3456A in temperature mode would meet your needs.  The 5k thermistor is very cheap.  The temperature resolution is very small, as I recall perhaps 0.001 degree but not sure.  You can log manually or via GPIB.  Don't think its accuracy is anywhere near its resolution b

Re: [time-nuts] 20th year of time nuts mailing list

2020-12-31 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Great job Tom!  It's an important service you have here and for me at least, an irreplaceable resource.  I have learned more than I thought possible and a good part of the blame rests on your shoulders. Keep up the great work, and happy new year! Bob K6DDX On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 09:

Re: [time-nuts] Old Crystal.

2021-02-28 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Is that a PR Peterson Radio logo? On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 03:53:32 PM PST, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Hi All, I've picked up a couple of old crystals. Mostly because they look neat. They are 1Mhz, in a glass tube. The quartz is ~25mm dia, at about 1 mm thick. Was able to get them to

Re: [time-nuts] NIST

2018-08-11 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
With any luck, the current administration will successfully push the USA down technically.  Denying global warming, shutting off time signals, and so on, is great stuff. On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 6:10:12 PM PDT, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi One would *guess* that stopping WWVB (and killin

Re: [time-nuts] Free Stuff - Moving Forward

2018-09-19 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Bob, I am interested in the XOs.  What do you have, and how much to get it to me in Los Angeles? Bob On Wednesday, September 19, 2018, 1:31:48 PM PDT, Bob Martin wrote: Time-Nuts,     Thanks to those who took the various signal distribution boards and other stuff. You took almost ever

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Off topic, but I heard tonight that WWV is going off the air at the end of this month. On Sunday, October 14, 2018, 9:24:51 PM PDT, Tom Van Baak wrote: > This is just a free running PRS10 wired to a TAPR TICC, I thought that I > would > run some stand alone tests before I brought my

Re: [time-nuts] Modern signal generators

2018-12-11 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
You can solve the spur problem by using the signal to lock an oscillator.  Some added phase noise but the oscillator can be very pure otherwise.  Many years ago I wrote an unsuccessful proposal for a synthesizer using that idea, since the spectral purity spec was too tight to use synthesizer ou

Re: [time-nuts] VHF-UHF Frequency Calibrator

2019-01-04 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I would imagine the switch selects every 50 or 100 MHz for easier identification of harmonic number. Bob On Friday, January 4, 2019, 3:10:36 PM PST, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Made by Control Electronics Co. Inc, Model 121, with Navy Calibration Program stamp. This is a comb generator

[time-nuts] Frequency standard

2019-01-25 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Please excuse my ignorance but I have been trying to improve on my frequency calibration. I have always used WWV but when I try to get really close in frequency, the beat and the fading are difficult to separate. Someone suggested I get a GPSDO to refine my 10 MHz.  I looked around and have seen

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency standard

2019-01-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
need. What do you want to accomplish. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:05 PM Bob Albert via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance but I have been trying to improve on my > frequency calibration. > I have always used WWV but when I try to g

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency standard

2019-01-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
on the air and ask around. Might be someone just a couple of blocks away who has all you need. Cheers, Dave M - Original Message - From: "Bob Albert via time-nuts" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Cc: "Bob Albert" Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency standard

2019-01-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
lux wrote: On 1/26/19 10:43 AM, Bob Albert via time-nuts wrote: >  Dave, thanks for the info.  I am, as I have said, money limited to the point >where most solutions won't work for me. > My counter is an HP 5328A I belive.  Not the top of the line but with care it > can do

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency standard

2019-01-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
rling wrote: On 1/26/19 4:31 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts wrote: >  Well you are right that I am bit far from JPL.  I used to work there.  But I >am impressed with the number of replies and the number of suggestions.  I am >still mulling over what will work for me.   Bob,   Freq

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: A Service Engineering perspective of the 5061A/B, and the incomparable Chuck Little

2019-01-28 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I read that technical description from the 1970s of how a cesium standard works, with the 137 Hz modulation and all.  Fascinating.  Maybe I will try to build one.  How hard can it be?  Maybe someone should offer a kit. Those guys at HP were amazing.  Not so much that it's a complicated scheme, b

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-09 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Well lately I have been disappointed with the quality of writing of the manuals.  Not just HP, but I do expect better from them.  Typos, poor grammar, occasionally poor content.  Very little said about errors that appear on screen, for instance. Sometimes I wonder if the circuits and software a

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-23 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
It depends on what kind of measurements you make.  I have many voltmeters and use what is appropriate for the task.  I can measure very accurately if necessary.  My spectrum analyzers are great rf voltmeters.  I have some of the Harbor Freight cheapies that are handy for many occasional uses. 

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-23 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I have a cheap Chinese clamp-on power line ammeter I use occasionally.  Its lowest range is 20 A I think but I built a 10:1 expander (very simple).  I also built a line separator so I can grip just one line. Bob On Saturday, March 23, 2019, 5:00:23 PM PDT, Jim Harman wrote: jim77...@g

Re: [time-nuts] multimeter

2019-03-24 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
s. I especially liked "get the > > orange one". Because that's what I did get (I think it's orange - could be > > yellow). > > > > I was deliberately vague (apologies) but I just wanted a broad response. > > Which I got. > > > > I've

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for the hp Standard

2019-03-25 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Very nice!  I look forward to reading all of those.  I hadn't known of that publication. Bob On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:03:12 AM PDT, Tom Van Baak wrote: Some of you know that I'm a pack-rat for vintage instruments, books, documentation, and publications about atomic clocks. Especia

Re: [time-nuts] Absolute time accuracy pre-Cesium?

2019-03-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I have been pondering something somewhat related to all of this. We know that the smallest unit of a substance is a molecule.  The smallest unit of charge is maybe an electron.  So what could one imagine the smallest unit of time to be?  Is time digital in the nanoscale, or is it always an analo

Re: [time-nuts] Updating the unit of,time: the second.

2019-05-27 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Well I have enjoyed time and frequency measurement for many years.  I have no equipment (nor do I expect to get any) that can tell the difference between the current second and the proposed standard.  And at one point I asked if there was a limit on the smallest time interval that could be disc

Re: [time-nuts] Excellent equipment rack

2019-06-11 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Very interesting!  Recently I had a somewhat similar experience.  My neighbor was throwing out some shelving that looked like what I need.  It was gray steel, all the vertical parts needed but no shelves.  I made shelves from plywood and ended up with a nice addition to my lab.  To make it mobi

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-02 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I have tried to measure the power line frequency with spotty success.  My best results came from a period measurement, as many periods as the counter can accumulate.  Due to noise, one is never sure at quite what point the source is measured.  Perhaps a brick wall filter would clean it up for a

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz frequency and phase measurement

2019-07-03 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
eement was astonishing. It was milliseconds in time and ADEV down to e-8 over a day: http://leapsecond.com/pages/mains-cv/ See also: http://leapsecond.com/pic/mains-adev-mdev-gnuplot-g4.png /tvb On 7/2/2019 10:09 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts wrote: >  I have tried to measure the power line frequenc

Re: [time-nuts] Clock accuracy

2019-07-19 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I am in some ways a beginner also.  But here is one way to calculate error. Figure the number of seconds in 100 years.  You just compute the number in a minute (60) times the minutes in an hour (60) times the hours in a day (24) and so on.  When you get to 100 years after all the multiplications

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap GPSDO with OCXO from aliexpress

2019-09-10 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
What is the connector for RS-232 on that Chinese GPS receiver? Bob On Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 02:00:20 PM PDT, Andrew Kohlsmith (mailing lists account) wrote: Good afternoon, Adam, > On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Adam Kumiszcza wrote: > Here I found some info about it: > https://

[time-nuts] Re: A Nice Slice of History

2021-12-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Link doesn't work. On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 05:41:01 PM PST, Nigel gm8pzr via time-nuts wrote: For those interested in the historical aspects, mid 50s in this instance, of crystals and crystal oscillators in radio equipment... https://worldradiohistory.com/BOOKSHELF-ARH/Tube-Techn

[time-nuts] Re: A Nice Slice of History

2021-12-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
I found this: Handbook of Piezoelectric Crystals for Radio Equipment Designers | | | | | | | | | | | Handbook of Piezoelectric Crystals for Radio Equipment Designers | | | On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 06:05:52 PM PST, Bob Albert via time-nuts wrote: Link

[time-nuts] Re: A Nice Slice of History

2021-12-26 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
| | | On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 07:28:09 PM PST, Jeff Zambory wrote: It worked for me. It just took a while to load a 701 page PDF. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 26, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts > wrote: > >  Link