[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer

2022-07-13 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/13/22 5:24 AM, Dan Kemppainen via time-nuts wrote: Erik, Just a thought. The 7805 in your schematic appears to be a big part of the signal chain. I've run into issues with 78xx series regulators being noisy. Spent a few weeks chasing down noise issues in some equipment and the 78xx

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-12 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/12/22 3:51 PM, ed breya via time-nuts wrote: I forgot to mention that you should also consider possible effects from the RF present, on the LNA. This can be more significant than SMPS frequencies getting where they don't belong, especially since the RF is intentionally right at the

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik, Kaashoek)

2022-07-12 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/12/22 8:53 AM, Erik Kaashoek via time-nuts wrote: I'm struggling with the noise floor. First tests where done with a 5nV/sqrt(Hz) opamp. Noise floor with shorted mixer output at 10kHz was -140dBc/Hz. Then I tried with 1nV/sqrt(Hz) opamp, but that made no difference, noise floor at 10kHz

[time-nuts] Re: GPS failed

2022-07-11 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/10/22 4:19 PM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: Hello to the Group, I'd like to get some opinions and war stories regarding GPS reliability at high RF level and elevation locations. Background: Three different hill-top GPS receivers, all different types, using different antennas mounted

[time-nuts] dual supplies Re: Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

2022-07-10 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/10/22 9:07 AM, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts wrote: Hi Yes it is a pain to implement dual supplies. I ponder that issue every time I build one of these setups. I’ve built a lot of them …. If you are going to do a single supply, setting up a “virtual ground” is probably the best way to go. Do it

[time-nuts] Re: DIY Low offset Phase Noise Analyzer (Erik Kaashoek)

2022-07-07 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/7/22 8:55 AM, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts wrote: Hi Yes, you do need to know the system gain. Since we are talking about gain at audio, measuring the gain directly is not a crazy thing to do. One of the things that makes audio spectrum analyzers a nice tool for this that they eliminate the

[time-nuts] Re: Fixing PN degradation via ADEV measurement

2022-06-20 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 6/20/22 2:39 AM, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts wrote: So, a counter is really like an ADC for phase, with wide bandwidth input and a sub-sampling mechanism (trigger/time-base). Through processing frequency estimates can be provided. Aliasing occurrs in the sub-sampling. Modern counters

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-12 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 6/12/22 6:30 PM, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts wrote: Hi Tear into some of your SC cut based OCXO’s. Take a look at the crystal package. For bonus points, open up the crystal package. If you have the gear to test it, take a look at what the gas *is* inside the package. ( Good luck with that :)

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-10 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 6/10/22 1:57 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 17:39, Lux, Jim via time-nuts wrote: On the subject of rapid warm up. I suppose if you had a need, one could dump as much power as you need into the heater. Turn on oscillator, lights in room dim for a few

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-10 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 6/10/22 12:13 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: I think there is a severe misunderstanding of this issue. First of all, "rapid warmup" is a red herring.  The real issue is "rapid frequency stabilization". Indeed. But to a certain extent, that's why oscillators don't have 5 second warm up

[time-nuts] Re: Is SC the most stable cut for lowest phase noise?

2022-06-10 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 6/9/22 8:53 PM, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts wrote: Hi There happen to be *some* AT cut based OCXO’s that beat the typical SC cut on warmup … just saying …. :) Bob On the subject of rapid warm up. I suppose if you had a need, one could dump as much power as you need into the heater. Turn on

[time-nuts] Re: Realtime comparing PPS of 3 GPS

2022-05-31 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 5/31/22 3:23 AM, Carsten Andrich via time-nuts wrote: On 31.05.22 01:10, glen english LIST via time-nuts wrote: Be aware not to confuse the antenna ground plane  (the patch will always have its own plane because the top metalization must be fed against a plane or counterpoise -  and a

[time-nuts] Re: measuring tiny devices

2022-05-26 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 5/26/22 8:18 AM, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts wrote: Hi The real answer to the problem is to dig into the bowels of 1940’s electronic craft. There are various methods for setting up an L/C filter. You short this / open that sweep to find a dip or a peak. You move it to the “right” place. Just

[time-nuts] Re: measuring tiny devices

2022-05-26 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 5/26/22 8:24 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: The tweezers are really good *only* for single components - even if they come with test leads, that's for measuring something like a motor start capacitor. I tried using tweezers (cheap ones to be sure) to measure a moderately complex

[time-nuts] measuring tiny devices

2022-05-26 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 5/25/22 3:16 PM, ed breya via time-nuts wrote: Thanks Mike, for info on LCR alternatives. It's good to know of others out there, if needed. I have an HP4276A and HP4271A. The 4276A is the main workhorse for all part checking, since it has a wide range of LCZ, although limited frequency