Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
___ > From: time-nuts [time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] on behalf of Perry Sandeen > via time-nuts [time-nuts@lists.febo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 23:50 > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Cc: Perry Sandeen > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-21 Thread Tobias Pluess
ebo.com Cc: Perry Sandeen Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps Yo Bubba Dudes! Wrote: Gosh. This topic comes up at least once every 6 months. Adiligent search of the time-nuts database would turn up amazing things. . . Yep, it does and it always will for at least t

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-20 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Bubba Dudes! Wrote: Gosh. This topic comes up at least once every 6 months. Adiligent search of the time-nuts database would turn up amazing things. . . Yep, it does and it always will for at least two reasons. One, we have new people joining the list.  Which is great. They're at the beginnin

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-19 Thread Patrick Murphy
2019 20:00:57 +0200 >From: Anders Wallin >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps >Message-ID:< capnvnrwzqjwhlhhrcntlab-kpbm6jon8aiowq9g5--aut_9...@mail.gmail.c

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi CMOS is what you want rather than TTL in this day and age. Propagation delay and jitter are both much better than any of the TTL families. NC7SZ125: Prop delay 2.6 ns Output high 50 ma max 32 ma rated Output low 50 ma max 32 ma rated (rated = ~0.5V off rail at 4.5V supply) 74S140 Prop d

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-18 Thread Julien Goodwin
The 74S140 (dual 4-input NAND) is the classic TI TTL 50-ohm driver. They're still available in DIP & SOIC. I'm currently waiting on some boards to arrive so I can try SN74LVC1G17 as a more modern replacement that's much cheaper and smaller. Once I've proven it I'll do a separate thread to the lis

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi CMOS is good. The faster the better. Go to your favorite vendor and find whatever is “king” this month and that’s what you go with. HC has been around a *long* time and is about as slow as it gets in terms of 5V CMOS ( yes, 4000 series is slower still …). Faster means less delay in the gat

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Yup, pretty much the same questions each time. I’ve given up recommending specific IC’s since the DIY approach does not seem to be what people are after. That’s not a problem, I do a *lot* of stuff on a “what’s on eBay?” basis. Bob > On Mar 17, 2019, at 4:56 PM, djl wrote: > > Gosh. this t

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I'm very curious, too.  Especially when I *just* built one using 74HC04N.  --- (Mr.) Taka Kamiya I'm stuck in a wormhole  Hello, worms! On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 4:01:26 PM EDT, Hal Murray wrote: > For 1PPs the main goal is jitter and the se

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread djl
Gosh. this topic comes up at least once every 6 months. A diligent search of the time-nuts database would turn up amazing things. . . On 2019-03-17 13:24, Hal Murray wrote: For 1PPs the main goal is jitter and the selection of the ICs is very tricky Could you please say more? Do you mean lo

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Yes :-) another one of mine: <    http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/iso_amp.pdf     > It is based on a NIST design and made from discrete transistors. Unfortunately it also needs RF PNP transistors that are slowly going the way of the Dodo. Luckily, I still have a reel of BFG31.

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread Hal Murray
> For 1PPs the main goal is jitter and the selection of the ICs is very tricky Could you please say more? Do you mean logic family selection, or chip selection within a family? Most modern digital chips are CMOS with an input threshold of VCC/2. I'd expect power supply noise to be importan

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread Anders Wallin
I've tried to collect links to frequency/pulse distributor designs over here: https://www.ohwr.org/project/pda-8ch-fda-8ch/wikis/Similar-Projects if something good is missing let me know! AW > > > But how do I do this > on 10MHz side? I'd like to have minimal distortion > (sine wave) and hi

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-17 Thread JF PICARD via time-nuts
the selection of the ICs is very tricky On Sun, 3/17/19, Joakim Langlet wrote: Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps To: "Taka Kamiya via time-nuts" Date: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 7:55 AM Hi, I used a mono

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-16 Thread Stephan Flor via time-nuts
I modified a analog video distribution amp.  Worked well. Changed the impedance by changing resistors at the outputs. I put my True Position GPSDO in the case, along with a power supply and microcontroller, and LCD display. I used the R-G-B outputs for 10MHz, and the digital audio for the 1PPS

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-16 Thread Paul Bicknell
: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:01:36 + (UTC) Taka Kamiya via time-nuts wrote: > But how do I do this on 10MHz side?  I'd like to have minimal distortion > (sine wav

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-16 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:01:36 + (UTC) Taka Kamiya via time-nuts wrote: > But how do I do this on 10MHz side?  I'd like to have minimal distortion > (sine wave) and high isolation.  I acquired a few signal splitter and > monolithic amplifiers.  Split first and amplify?  Amplify first and spli

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-16 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you dig into the archives there are a lot of approaches to this. A few options: 1) Use an eBay video distribution amplifier 2) Use an amp (possibly MiniCircuits) and drive a power splitter 3) Use one of the (again eBay) boxes specifically designed to do this 4) Wire up a DIY board with

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-16 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
In the TV station we used video distribution amplifiers. These were one amplifier that fed 8 75 Ohm resistors. These were one in eight out amplifiers. The other end of the resistor went to a BNC connector. Each unused port we terminated with a 75 Ohm load. I think I can provide schematics if you

[time-nuts] Distribution amplifier for 10MHz and 1 pps

2019-03-16 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Hello I am thinking about distribution amplifier of a sort.  Not a kind with 8 or more output but just 2 or 3.  As you know, most timing equipment comes with just one output of a kind.  Say one 10MHz and 1 PPS.  This is rather inconvenient. If I want to scope it without disturbing the setu