Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-24 Thread Club Internet
Hi, Thanks for the info. I did’nt find how to find you paper in ko4bb.com Thanks for pointing. Best, Gilles. Envoyé de mon iPad > Le 23 juil. 2019 à 13:01, Charles Steinmetz a écrit : > > Rick wrote: > >> Basically, no counter that we ever made AFAIK had >> any provision for EFC. > > The

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
IIRC the internal transfer price was $400. The whole "business model" of being a captive supplier was extremely messy, including the calculation of internal transfer price. For T instruments for internal consumption, they abandoned "transfer at cost" decades ago. This was probably one of the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Dave M
C12 and C15 on the support board are for peaking the multiplier/amplifier for the external standard input. The unit accepts 1MHz, 5MHz or 10MHz for the external reference frequency. The capacitors tune the external input to 10MHz for the counter to use as the reference. Cheers, Dave M

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The “most often mentioned” run rate was “about 800 a month". It was never at all clear if that also came out to 10,000 a year or not. ( = how often did they hit that rate). If you wanted to buy one piece, I believe the price was $800. At that price, even 800 a month would be pretty good

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I On 7/23/2019 9:09 AM, djl wrote: Just visited site. 3million hits on 10811 manuals. We're that many made:-)? IIRC it was something like 1,000 on a good month. No way 3 million. Rick ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 2019-07-23 13:01, Charles Steinmetz wrote: The later HP5328 "oscillator helper" boards have EFC pots for fine tuning the timebase frequency. This includes the US military versions that are so prevalent in the US. I have schematics showing this with both the 10544 (support board

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread djl
Just visited site. 3million hits on 10811 manuals. We're that many made:-)? On 2019-07-23 05:01, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Rick wrote: Basically, no counter that we ever made AFAIK had any provision for EFC. The later HP5328 "oscillator helper" boards have EFC pots for fine tuning the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The military contracts were very important for the counter product line. I suspect that the EFC feature was required in order to bid. The way things worked at HP, special features for the military were basically walled off from the civilian market. The project manager for the 5335A worked in

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Rick wrote: Basically, no counter that we ever made AFAIK had any provision for EFC. The later HP5328 "oscillator helper" boards have EFC pots for fine tuning the timebase frequency. This includes the US military versions that are so prevalent in the US. I have schematics showing this

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi *Assuming* that we’re talking about 4 to 6x10^-10, you should be able to do better than that with the piston trimmer. I’m in no way suggesting that it is *easy* to do better than that. The bigger question is: how much value is there in doing better than that? What is the aging rate on

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Rick, Curiously enough, 5335A is the only counter that I know of that produce Slew-rate measures, which is trival to calculate from the rise-time (or fall-time) and the voltage difference between the start and stop triggers, but yet nobody seems to care for that measurement. At the same time,

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-21 Thread Bill Beam
I have several 10811. Pin 6 on the edge connector is EFC input, Pins 2, 4 and 5 are GND. The HP Service Manual is out there on the web. It's worth a search. One of my units spent several years on the shelf. I put it back in service using a Motorola UT+ GPS receiver and Brooks Shera regulator

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-21 Thread Neville Michie
I have found two HP10811s where the EFC did not work. When I opened them if found a teflon insulated silver plated tubular rivet with the resistor, varicap diode and the lead from the crystal threaded through the hole, but they had not been soldered. A touch of resin cored solder to the point and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Hi Perry, I worked in the HP frequency counter section in the 1980's when the 5335A was developed. I was the project manager for the 5334B counter. Basically, no counter that we ever made AFAIK had any provision for EFC. The basic concept is that you can get the frequency close enough with the

[time-nuts] HP 10811 stabilizing time

2019-07-21 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Yo Bubba Dudes!, I bought a HP 10811 from ebay for $36 and shipping. I installed it in my HP 5335a counter.  After running continuously for about 90 days it was down to about 4 to 6  parts in -10.  I couldn't adjust it for better accuracy as HP in their infinite and inscrutable wisdom provided a