[time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-07 Thread Arthur Dent
I have a Quartzlock 3 that was an OCXO based 10Mhz standard. It has a really nice distribution amp so I replaced the OCXO with an LPRO-101 and added a fan. The switching power supply is external. I’m sure some will cringe with the thought of a fan in the enclosure but it works really well and

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-02 Thread Phil Parsons
I have the data for the E10-MRX taken from the 2012 online catalogue. The case temperature is specified as <45C (after 1 hour, Tamb +25C , no ventilation).The base plate temperature is rated from -30~+85C Operating temperature range -20~+50C. Typical figures -30~+65C. I have never had the

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The one thing you don’t want to do is play with insulation. There are two ovens in a normal Rb. Their temperatures are close to each other. It will not work if the temperatures are equal ( = there are reasons for the delta). Since the two ovens are right up against each other, there is

[time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Richard Katsch
Many thanks for the responses. The take-home message that I've got is that it may be OK to run the device with no heat sink but it's life might be extended by adding one. As it cost ~$300 it would be nice to get the maximum use from it. I think what I shall do is to measure, or estimate, the

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi With an Rb, you have a magnetic shield (somewhere) as part of the overall design. In some cases, this is worked into the outer package shell (… it’s cheaper to do that way. ). There’s only so much you can do to move the parts of the unit around. = A fan will not “move” the baseplate

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Dana Whitlow
Taka, There's not much really wrong in making the oven(s) work harder to maintain the desired Rb cell temperatures because of a cooler baseplate temperature. If the thermal design is done well, nothing will run appreciably hotter and most of the electronics will run cooler. However, it is my

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Didier Juges
If you can open the case, you should be able to locate the largest board (if there is more than one) where most of the conventional electronics is located and devise a way to keep that part of the case cool, with a fan, a heatsink or both. The physics package is designed to run hot but if too much

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread rfnuts
If it works, don't try to fix it. In the datasheet https://quartzlock.com/userfiles/downloads/datasheets/e10-mrx(2)(1).pdf there is no cooling requirement specified. I would assume that it is usually mounted on a PCB which adds some cooling though not terribly much. After 1 hour the case

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you have enough room for a heatsink that is the size of a couple of shoe boxes, then by all means use a convection heatsink. There is zero difference between cooling by fan vs big heatsink as far as device current consumption is concerned. This or that level of cooling takes the

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Will you elaborate on fan?  Just about everything I've read, use of fan was discouraged.  Natural convection over heat sink fins were recommended.  I've done limited testing.  When fan cooling, indeed temperature will go down, but current consumption stays higher indicating heating is often

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi In this case there may not be much that can be done. In the more general case ( = a unit with a surface that mates to a heatsink) , it’s well worth doing something. I have an unfortunate lot of empirical evidence (on FRK’s and LPRO’s ) showing that a “no heatsink” setup is one with a

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Dienstag, 1. September 2020 14:25:31 CEST Richard Katsch wrote: > Many thanks Matthias,Hugh. > > The case doesn’t seem to have any direct method of fastening to a heatsink > but something can be arranged I’m sure. The manufacturer’s documents don’t > suggest anything. They do say that the base

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Richard Katsch
Many thanks Matthias,Hugh. The case doesn’t seem to have any direct method of fastening to a heatsink but something can be arranged I’m sure. The manufacturer’s documents don’t suggest anything. They do say that the base temperature can be up to 85 degrees C which seems awfully hot. I haven’t

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Hugh Blemings
Hiya, I'd wondered this also - my (limited) experience of Rbs are the LPROs and they definitely need a heatsink (I have a nice story to share about getting some made one day which I must write up, but I digress) Curious, I dug around a bit and only data I can find is a two pager on the

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
On Dienstag, 1. September 2020 07:15:34 CEST Richard Katsch wrote: > Hello All, > I have acquired a Quartzlock E10-MRX Rb 10 MHz standard. It appears to lock > and produce a nice sine wave that stays in phase with my Trimble Tbolt for > a time which exceeds my attention span!!! > It does however

[time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-08-31 Thread Richard Katsch
Hello All, I have acquired a Quartzlock E10-MRX Rb 10 MHz standard. It appears to lock and produce a nice sine wave that stays in phase with my Trimble Tbolt for a time which exceeds my attention span!!! It does however get hot in operation. As this is my first experience with a Rb standard I