[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi At some point you must go “inside” the loop (or your OCXO isn’t locked …). At that point, you run into the basic physics of frequency multiplication. Bob > On Nov 30, 2021, at 7:16 PM, Matt Huszagh wrote: > > Jürgen Appel writes: > >> Yes, this is a fundamental physical property which c

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-30 Thread Matt Huszagh
Jürgen Appel writes: > Yes, this is a fundamental physical property which cannot be avoided. > > You can see it that way: If there is a given fluctuating time delay in your > otherwise perfect 5 MHz signal, the amount of phase shift this time > fluctuation corresponds to in a 10 MHz signal is

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-30 Thread Jürgen Appel
Hej, On Monday, 29 November 2021 04:29:58 CET Matt Huszagh wrote: > I've got a 10 MHz distribution amplifier and am considering purchasing a > 5 MHz reference. Most (not all) of my equipment accepts a 5 MHz > reference, but I'd like to be able to use the existing distribution > amplifier I have

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-30 Thread Andy Talbot
Your push-pull doubler is much nicer than my full-wave rectifier with Schottky diodes http://g4jnt.com/10MHzDist.pdf Andy www.g4jnt.com On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 15:42, Wilko Bulte wrote: > For those interested, Dave PA5DOF and your's truly are working to get the > doubler implemented that Lucia

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-29 Thread Wilko Bulte
For those interested, Dave PA5DOF and your's truly are working to get the doubler implemented that Luciano has on his website. The first PCB prototype is in and has been built and works OK. Some minor tweaks/fixes will be added to a V0.2 PCB. If there is interest I can share the Gerber files.

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The PLL will have the same 20 log N issue plus a number of other problems. The big question is: what are you after? If you need something below -175 dbc / Hz far removed, what is the application? There may well be better ways to do this or that. If you are after -125 dbc / Hz at 1 Hz, tha

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-29 Thread Mike Feher
. Thanks & Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 -Original Message- From: tim...@timeok.it Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 4:35 AM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10

[time-nuts] Re: Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-29 Thread timeok
you can use this: http://www.timeok.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/high-performance-frequency-doublerv1-31.pdf Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti tim...@timeok.it www.timeok.it Da "Matt Huszagh" huszaghm...@gmail.com A time-nuts@lists.febo.com Cc Data Sun, 28 Nov 2021 19:29