Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Bob kb8tq writes: > I think you will find that things work out a whole lot better if you target > something > just above room temp. If your room runs 22 +/- 3 C , a set point of 27C > likely results > in better operation than 17C. This decision should be based on expected abnormal sit

Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread ed breya
Many years ago, I got some junker DP sensors - the chilled mirror type. I never did find any specific info on the model, or get around to figuring out the guts to run them. I can't recall if the support electronics were missing, or maybe potted, or if I just didn't want to reverse engineer them

Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The method still appears to be in use: http://www.michell.com/nl/documents/Optidew_Vision_97144_NL_Datasheet-V6.pdf Bruce > On 24 December 2020 at 14:37 Dana Whitlow wrote: > > > The optical sensing of despoint by dew-on-the-mirror was used in a device > designed > at the Whirlpool Research lab

Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One of the (many) parts of the EG&G empire made a dew on the mirror setup and (apparently) sold quite a few of them. It was one of the few gizmos that could reliably tell you about very low temperature (like -50C) dew points. Bob > On Dec 23, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Dana Whitlow wrote: > > The

Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread Dana Whitlow
The optical sensing of despoint by dew-on-the-mirror was used in a device designed at the Whirlpool Research labs in St. Joseph, MI. It apparently never made it into production, but a number of units were built and sold or given away (I'm not sure). I know about this because I interned at the lab

Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
You could always use a TEC as the heart of a dewpoint sensor by optically sensing the temperature required for dew to form on a cooled mirror. In practice the temperature at which the dew vanishes is typically used. A collimated light beam together with a photodiode is typically used to sense the

Re: [time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I think you will find that things work out a whole lot better if you target something just above room temp. If your room runs 22 +/- 3 C , a set point of 27C likely results in better operation than 17C. Bob > On Dec 23, 2020, at 2:57 PM, ed breya wrote: > > This recent TEC talk reminded

[time-nuts] TECs in cooling below ambient

2020-12-23 Thread ed breya
This recent TEC talk reminded of some of my long term planned projects, and related issues. I have at least four "someday" projects involving TECs, to regulate device temperatures near or below "normal" room temperature, including a high precision DC voltage standard, a sub-fA electrometer circ