Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Apr 8, 2019, at 12:54 PM, jimlux wrote: > > On 4/7/19 10:37 PM, Peter Monta wrote: >>> >>> Does NIST publish the transmitter bandwidth? I've never seen it, but I >>> haven't done a serious search. >>> >>> Maybe somebody near enough to get a clean signal could measure it. What >>> d

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-08 Thread jimlux
On 4/7/19 10:37 PM, Peter Monta wrote: Does NIST publish the transmitter bandwidth? I've never seen it, but I haven't done a serious search. Maybe somebody near enough to get a clean signal could measure it. What does a spectrogram look like? Some of the KiwiSDR receivers are close enough

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-08 Thread Peter Monta
> > Does NIST publish the transmitter bandwidth? I've never seen it, but I > haven't done a serious search. > > Maybe somebody near enough to get a clean signal could measure it. What > does a spectrogram look like? > Some of the KiwiSDR receivers are close enough to get an excellent signal. Coi

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-07 Thread Hal Murray
tsho...@gmail.com said: > As a frequency standard I have no major disagreement with the PTTI article. > But the 100 microsecond number they give for absolute time transfer seems to > be based entirely on propagation characteristics and ignores the difficulty > I've always had in resolving the mus

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-07 Thread Wayne Holder
jimlux, thanks for the info cross correlation. That's sort of how i imagined it should work, but I wasn't sure. I guess it really helps that we live in the age of fast computation. Wayne On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:00 AM jimlux wrote: > On 4/7/19 4:30 AM, Wayne Holder wrote: > >> Hi Wayne, > >>

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-07 Thread jimlux
On 4/7/19 4:30 AM, Wayne Holder wrote: Hi Wayne, Great to see you found my presentation! The paper is available here: https://www.kevincroissant.com/WWVB/WWVB_PTTI_2018_paper.pdf Kevin, thanks for the link to the paper. I'd like to know more about how correlation works and how you were able

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-07 Thread Wayne Holder
> Hi Wayne, > Great to see you found my presentation! > The paper is available here: > https://www.kevincroissant.com/WWVB/WWVB_PTTI_2018_paper.pdf Kevin, thanks for the link to the paper. I'd like to know more about how correlation works and how you were able to use to to sync with the WWVB bit

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-07 Thread Tim Shoppa
Wayne, there was a superb 2015 QEX article by KD2BD on his WWVB disciplined frequency standard. Full article is online here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2015/Nov-Dec_2015/Magliacane.pdf As a frequency standard I have no major disagreement with the PTTI article. But the 100 micros

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-07 Thread Bernd Neubig
Hi After the passing of Clive Green HCD Research has taken over the Quartzlock business mid 2016 Regards Bernd DK1AG > Not personally, but in the UK a company called Quarztlock made both MSF (similar to WWVB) and 198kHz (a frequency-standard broadcast station) that were popular frequency standar

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-06 Thread Kevin Croissant
Hi Wayne, Great to see you found my presentation! The paper is available here: https://www.kevincroissant.com/WWVB/WWVB_PTTI_2018_paper.pdf I traveled to CO and met with NIST people there and gathered more data then. We're planning to put out another paper soon (I'm finishing up my bachelor's righ

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-06 Thread paul swed
Wayne good read on the paper. All of the spectracoms and such were rendered useless by the new BPSK modulation. Though now that 5 years or so have passed not so new. Unless the modulation is accounted for they can't track the carrier. There are external modifications and other approaches that have

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-06 Thread Adrian Godwin
Not personally, but in the UK a company called Quarztlock made both MSF (similar to WWVB) and 198kHz (a frequency-standard broadcast station) that were popular frequency standards in labs. They still exist but have replaced those products with Rubidium and GPS based standards. http://www.quartzloc

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Disciplined Oscillator

2019-04-06 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha with WWVB is correcting for the day / night ionosphere issues. Since they are not 100% predictable, it’s not a real easy problem to solve. Toss on top of the the ambiguous status of WWV or WWVB ( = will it be there next year …. if so in what format ….) there layers and layer