[tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Msylvester
Are pigeons preferred in demonstrating conditioning principles than rats or vice versa? What are the pros and cons? Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly (bsouthe...@frostburg.edu)

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Ken Steele
msylves...@copper.net wrote: Are pigeons preferred in demonstrating conditioning principles than rats or vice versa? It depends on the phenomenon under investigation. One advantage of pigeons is that they are very long-lived. You can run a variety of parametric manipulations for

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Paul Brandon
The main reasons that Skinner switched from rats to pigeons were: 1. Their visual system (in terms of acuity and color sensitivity) is much like humans. 2. They were available for free on the window sill of his lab on the 7th floor of the Pillsbury flour mill that he used during WWII. He was

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Paul Brandon
On Apr 21, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ken Steele wrote: msylves...@copper.net wrote: Are pigeons preferred in demonstrating conditioning principles than rats or vice versa? It depends on the phenomenon under investigation. One advantage of pigeons is that they are very long-lived. You can run

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Ken Steele
Paul Brandon wrote: On Apr 21, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ken Steele wrote: msylves...@copper.net wrote: Are pigeons preferred in demonstrating conditioning principles than rats or vice versa? It depends on the phenomenon under investigation. One advantage of pigeons is that they are very

Re: [tips] more morality and critical thinking

2009-04-21 Thread Michael Smith
Since the other thread is getting so long. I will post this short remark here. I for one am not confusing law and morality. Although I referred to the justice system, I am well aware that it is much more of a legal system which can be totally arbitrary. I also think that rather than the

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Msylvester
- Original Message - From: Ken Steele steel...@ap I have had a few rats that have produced very high response rates. In one case, the rat was grabbing the bar with its teeth and shaking the bar like it had caught a prey. And who said that we should not bite the hand that

[tips] Relevance of science to psych work?

2009-04-21 Thread Gerald Peterson
Ask your graduates if they believe that scientific research is really essential to being a working psychologist? A good exit question. See Friedrich (1996) below for a full scale. What is that old theme of the tender-minded vs. tough-minded student? You know, the idea of those interested

Re: [tips] Biopsych Group Activities?

2009-04-21 Thread Michael Smith
It might be good to take a look at the Activities Handbook for the Teaching of Psychology series. they generally contain activities for learning and memory, cognition, volume 4 has direct reference to biopsychology and animal behavior, also they have a special topics section which often has

RE: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread DeVolder Carol L
Often, purebred white pigeons are used, but it's also cheap and easy to use feral pigeons (as captured in barns after dusk by Amish boys). Pigeons have excellent vision, but they do have two foveas in each eye (one is for identifying predators from above, such as owls or hawks) and they don't

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread Msylvester
I remember having to dust the pigeons for mites--put them in a paper bag with Sevin powder, shake it around a little, and hold my breath. It's no wonder I developed asthma. Carol Hey: just imagine if you had develeloped Shake and Bake pigeon line of food you would have been a

[tips] My favorite Shakespeare quote

2009-04-21 Thread Msylvester
In honor of Shakespeare's birthday or something like that, the mayor of Chicago has asked everyone to honor Shakespeare by quoting him in their public interactions.Maybe tipsters may want to fill us in on some quotes. Here is mine: ET TU BRUTE (not sure of the punctuation after that:! or ?)

Re: [tips] info: pigeons or rats

2009-04-21 Thread sblack
On 21 Apr 2009 at 17:24, Ken Steele wrote: I have had a few rats that have produced very high response rates. In one case, the rat was grabbing the bar with its teeth and shaking the bar like it had caught a prey. Of course if you want _really_ high rates, you have to selectively