On 30 May 2003, Beth Benoit wrote:
> For a baby of 18-20 months, I think our encouragement of drastic
> measures like ammonia, lemon juice, etc., is drastic, unrealistic
> and cruel.
Well, certainly, the revelation that the child is 18-20 months old
gives a different picture, and makes one far
I was starting to get a bit agitated reading some responses to the young
child who was biting. Although Nancy is right that the age isn't given,
I'll go along with the idea that it is likely to be a toddler.
Beth Benoit's excerpt is pretty right on the money. Toddlers will bite
because they don
Hi
As others have noted, a professional in the area is probably
required. The people might also want to look for articles on
aversive stimuli (e.g., those used for self-mutilation behaviour
with autistic children). I think, for example, that a whiff of
ammonia has been found effective in some st
Hi
As others have noted, a professional in the area is probably
required. The people might also want to look for articles on
aversive stimuli (e.g., those used for self-mutilation behaviour
with autistic children). I think, for example, that a whiff of
ammonia has been found effective in some st
I admit that I haven't followed this thread closely, but has anyone suggested
reinforcing the desired behavior?
An hour (2, 3, or 4 hours, 1 day, a week, whatever time period given the frequency of
the biting and the age of the child) ~without~ biting yields some reinforcement.
--
Sue Frantz
Hi Sue. That was my first suggestion to my former student. By the way, I
replied privately to Nancy that the age of the little girl in question is
betwee 18-20 months, so she's quite young.
-- Mark
At 09:47 AM 5/30/03 -0700, you wrote:
I admit that I haven't followed this thread closely, but ha
For a baby of 18-20 months, I think our encouragement of drastic measures
like ammonia, lemon juice, etc., is drastic, unrealistic and cruel. I think
any daycare facility that used those measures would probably lose its
license. I'm cringing at the thought of that ever being done to my baby.
Plea
Hi Beth. No, I didn't suggest any of the drastic measures that have been
suggested, although I did forward the suggestions that the center should
think carefully about whether or not this child is appropriate (given that
it's been going on for quite a while and increasing in frequency). -- Mark
At 3:04 PM -0400 5/30/03, Beth Benoit wrote:
For a baby of 18-20 months, I think our encouragement of drastic measures
like ammonia, lemon juice, etc.,
Please note that I did not _encourage_ the use of lemon juice;
I mentioned that its use was cited in the literature.
What I _did_ encourage was t
Hi All,
I am usually a lurker but feel the need to jump in on this topic of biting.
First of all, kudos to Beth Benoit, as her post is the only one in this thread
that I can relate to. We are discussing a BABY herea baby with the
cognitive level that precludes playing WITH children. Anot
Thank you, Cheryl Marsiglia, for your enlightening post about daycare
licensure and the use of behavioral techniques in daycare. It occurred to
me that we on TIPS are always painfully aware of IRB restrictions for our
research, but we're not too accustomed to thinking of the Department of
Justice
For all the same legal and other reasons given for not using lemon juice,
etc, to discourage biting, the one treatment that has been used by
generations of mothers with great effectiveness cannot be given either: Bite
the kid back.
don
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It's been really interesting reading all these posts.
Betsy Spaulding
Kwantlen University College
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"Bite the child back" was alleged to be effective.
Produce the evidence for such a claim, please. I dispute the effectiveness of such a method...it's just cruel and childish.
Nancy Melucci
Long Beach City College
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Isn't one of the basic tenets of a young child's
egocentric cognition that he/she can't put herself in another's
shoes? That's one (of the many) reasons why "showing a child how it
feels" to be bitten won't be effective. She won't take the next step and
think, "I won't bite that child beca
From: "J L Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all:
I'm curious: have any of you ever advised a parent of a biting child to bite
the child in return? If not, why not, given it's "great effectiveness"? Is
it ethical and practical to recommend methods that are not as effective and
which prolong the pro
In reference to Don McBurney's suggestion (which I suspect was made
more facetiously than seriously) that a parent bite a biting child
back, Beth Benoit replied:
> Isn't one of the basic tenets of a young child's egocentric cognition
> that he/she can't put herself in another's shoes? That's on
Yes, my suggestion was tongue-in-cheek. Biting is dangerous. (I once had
a hospital roommate who was in danger of losing his hand owing to a human
bite.) One could not do this in a daycare center. And my evidence for its
effectiveness is purely anecdotal (but I have reason to believe that th
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