Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-14 Thread Jim Guinee
Aubyn writes: There are those who dispute the assumption that psychology should be a scientific study, and perhaps you want to make that case - I would be interested in hearing it. But what I have noticed (or think I have noticed) in your posts is a desire to have things both ways; to have

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-14 Thread Paul Brandon
At 2:07 PM -0500 12/14/04, Jim Guinee wrote: Aubyn writes: There are those who dispute the assumption that psychology should be a scientific study, and perhaps you want to make that case - I would be interested in hearing it. But what I have noticed (or think I have noticed) in your posts is a

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-14 Thread Jim Guinee
Very few here seem to want to allow divine intervention as a POSSIBLE causal variable Michael Scoles: There's a reason for that: http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/gallery.htm Jim Guinee: That's great --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-14 Thread Dr . Bob Wildblood
On 14 Dec, 2004, at 14:07, Jim Guinee wrote: Aubyn writes: [edited] But what I have noticed (or think I have noticed) in your posts is a desire to have things both ways; to have psychology be both a scientific study *and* to have that scientific study somehow support possible divine or

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread jim clark
Hi On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Jim Guinee wrote: I don't know how long you've been around here, but as much as I respect the intellectuals that make this list so great, I have endured a number of anti-religious remarks over the years. Very few here seem to want to allow divine intervention as a

RE: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread John Kulig
diet - Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: Jim Guinee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:45 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...] snip Happy post-finals to all (how's

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread Michael Scoles
There's a reason for that: http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/gallery.htm Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D.Interim Chair, Dept. Psychology CounselingUniversity of Central ArkansasConway, AR 72035 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/13/2004 9:30:57 AM Very few here seem to want to allow "divine intervention" as a

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread Jim Guinee
I hope no one minds me clarifying some things about Christianity. If you don't wish to be clarified (or feel you see it quite clearly), stop reading now. Aubryn writes: First from the Bible - Hebrews 10:26-27; 30-31: If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of

RE: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread Aubyn Fulton
Jim wrote... I don't know how long you've been around here, but as much as I respect the intellectuals that make this list so great, I have endured a number of anti-religious remarks over the years. Very few here seem to want to allow divine intervention as a POSSIBLE causal variable. Aubyn

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread Jim Guinee
Jim Clark: Another way of asking this question, is whether Jim G. considers ANY explanation IMPOSSIBLE? Good and fair question. I guess you could say ANY explanation is POSSIBLE. What we should be more concerned with are the ones that are PROBABLE. So I submit divine intervention is

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread Paul Brandon
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Jim Guinee wrote: I don't know how long you've been around here, but as much as I respect the intellectuals that make this list so great, I have endured a number of anti-religious remarks over the years. Very few here seem to want to allow divine intervention as a

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-13 Thread jim clark
Hi On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Jim Guinee wrote: Jim Clark: Another way of asking this question, is whether Jim G. considers ANY explanation IMPOSSIBLE? Good and fair question. I guess you could say ANY explanation is POSSIBLE. What we should be more concerned with are the ones that are

RE: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-12 Thread Paul Smith
Aubyn Fulton wrote: Stephen Black wrote... Well, I tend to the opinion that if Firm Believers can say that an allegedly loving God is going to torture me in Hell for all eternity for not believing (and eternity's a pretty long time, isn't it?) Dr. Jim Guinee, Firm Believer,

Re: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-12 Thread Linda Woolf, Ph.D.
Hi Y'all, Paul Smith wrote: (Aubyn writes...) You must not get out much, Jim. I know lots of Firm Believers who teach just what Stephen states above (of course many of these would substitute punish for torture but the operational definitions would not change). Are you sure about this? I've

RE: Psychology Religion [Was: Famous Atheist...]

2004-12-12 Thread Paul Smith
Aubyn Fulton wrote: Yea - I'm pretty sure that many Firm Believers teach that those who do not believe, or believe incorrectly, or believe correctly but behave incorrectly, will be punished with eternal suffering. Well, yes, that's true, but that seems to miss my point. ...will be punished