Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
I have an idea. Every class meeting is nothing but exam and assessment from start to finish. More must be better, right? More seriously: do we know the optimum ratio of testing to learning objectives covered? At what point are there diminishing returns? Paul Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21,

[tips] The Canadian aboutand out

2013-11-22 Thread msylves...@copper.net
What is so funny about how Canadians pronounce those two words?Are they similar to Australian creole?michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here:

Re: [tips] The Canadian aboutand out

2013-11-22 Thread Maxwell Gwynn
Michael: Be mindful of incorrect stereotypes based on media characterizations. Have you personally ever heard a Canadian pronounce these words differently than you would? Along these lines, most fellow Canadians to whom I have spoken have said that last weekend's Saturday Night Live sketch (

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Gerald Peterson
I am a fan of more frequent testing, but what do folks think about the authors' contortions and post hoc fishing to find that their daily quiz class was comparatively better? If regular testing and retesting is effective, it ought to be easier to show greater comprehension and mastery of the

Re: [tips] The Canadian aboutand out

2013-11-22 Thread John Kulig
Speaking about bad accents, remember Paul McCartney's Dakota accent in Rocky Racoon? He couldn't keep it after second :30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRH7_Kd5Ycbtw I ran "capital of Canada" past my kids and they of course knew it .. they were

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Paul Brandon
I used a PSI system (self-paced unit mastery) for many (~40) years. Since there was no final exam I couldn't assess comprehension and mastery that way (and then there's the question of whether a MC question can assess complex cognitive behavior anyway). I did have another alternative, however.

Re: [tips] The Canadian aboutand out

2013-11-22 Thread Christopher Green
The difference between the way (some) Canadians pronounce these words and the way(s)Americans do is greatly exaggerated. Chris - Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 Canada chri...@yorku.ca On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:14 AM, msylves...@copper.net

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Christopher Green
I'm thinking: recent effect. If you only test what you taught today, but not what you taught six or twelve weeks ago, of course you'll get better results. Chris - Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 Canada chri...@yorku.ca On Nov 22, 2013, at

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Paul Brandon
But are you testing what you taught several weeks ago, or what students crammed the night before from the text and their lecture notes. On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Christopher Green wrote: I'm thinking: recent effect. If you only test what you taught today, but not what you taught six or

RE: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Jim Clark
Hi A few years ago I reviewed some of the literature related to blocked instruction (taking fewer courses over shorter periods of time) and there were indeed suggestions that people might fare better on immediate tests of knowledge but not so on delayed (e.g., performance in following

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
Part of what's interesting is they are testing before class starts, and there is always at least one question from weeks previous. I think that's a good approach. The first 10-minutes of each class were devoted to an 8-item daily quiz. Seven of the questions covered material from the previous

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
There are a lot of interesting statements in this paper. I love this one: The purpose of the curve was to reduce the number of students who failed the first exams – a standard practice in American universities. Standard practice? Common practice, certainly, but far from standard. And, methods

Re: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Paul Brandon
Stats mavens-- How many students do you need to justify the assumption of a normal (or other) distribution of measures of performance? On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Paul C Bernhardt wrote: There are a lot of interesting statements in this paper. I love this one: The purpose of the curve

RE: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Stuart McKelvie
Dear Tipsters, Given that the issue of multiple-choice and short-answer questions has come up in this thread, you may be interested in this paper: Ozuru et al. (2013). Comparing comprehension measured by MC and open-ended questions. Can. J. Exp. Psy., 67, 215-227. The authors argue that the

[tips] Sample size for normal assumption

2013-11-22 Thread rfro...@jbu.edu
Paul Brandon asked for stats mavens to address his inquiry: How many students do you need to justify the assumption of a normal (or other) distribution of measures of performance? -- If you know any mavens, you may suspect that they will not have a simple answer for him.

RE:[tips] Sample size for normal assumption

2013-11-22 Thread Jim Clark
Hi As Rick points out, the number of students is largely irrelevant to whether you get a normal distribution, unless you know (think) you're sampling from a normal distribution to begin with. Where number of observations comes into play is if you are calculating a sum or average of the

RE: [tips] PLOS ONE: Daily Online Testing in Large Classes: Boosting College Performance while Reducing Achievement Gaps

2013-11-22 Thread Jim Clark
Hi Like Paul when students score too poorly on a test, I will scale scores like this: newscore = .xx*(100-oldscore), where .xx is some proportion to give the overall increment I've decided is appropriate. My reasoning is overly challenging test will hurt poorer students more and, by