Re: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Paul Brandon
On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Mike Palij wrote: >> So SDT is really about behavior under stimulus control, not just stimuli. >> for my own experimental application: > > Your behavioristic tendencies are showing. ;-) I’ll take that as a compliment ;-). >> "Brandon, Paul K. >> A Signal Detectio

[tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Carol DeVolder
Thank you all for your great responses. Mike, I knew I could count on you, and yes, I read your message in its entirety. :) Why I lumped all of that together is that it is all lumped together in the unit we are on. I talked about each separately, but since my students tend to be math phobes, I wan

RE: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Peterson, Douglas (USD)
No argument here. Just me not being clear. A' and AUC are valid measures comparing two systems and much more interpretable than other SDT measures given the parameters as Mike explains but they are not direct measures of SDT parameters as typically explains. Pastore, Crawley, Berens and Ske

RE: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Mike Palij
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:49:23 -0800, Douglas Peterson wrote: [snip] ... SDT continues to be applicable in a number of settings, particularly medical tests, many use a the AUC that Mike mentions and while this isn't technically SDT (no z transforms) the ROC method is identical (here is a short and

Re: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Mike Palij
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:47:20 -0800, Paul Brandon wrote: The main point I liked to make about Signal Detectability is that there is no such thing in the sense that a given stimulus has a given strength below which it cannot be detected. Exactly right, The old idea of an absolute threshold is sh

RE: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Peterson, Douglas (USD)
Carol, E-mail in three parts 1. The activity I use to demonstrate SDT 2. Why SDT is useful and applicable 3. Why ROC curves are better in application PART 1 I use "the dice game" activity when teaching SDT and ROC curves and find that it helps students really grasp how shifting the criterion has

Re: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Paul Brandon
The main point I liked to make about Signal Detectability is that there is no such thing in the sense that a given stimulus has a given strength below which it cannot be detected. First you must define the response being controlled by the stimulus. We are really talking about changes in the likel

re: [tips] signal detection and ROC curves

2016-01-29 Thread Mike Palij
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:08:38 -0800, Carol DeVolder wrote: Dear TIPSters, I am currently teaching about the Theory of Signal Detectability, Stevens's Power Law, and ROC curves in my Sensation and Perception course. I have to admit that I find your lumping Stevens' Power law with SDT and ROC (or,